Are you guys ready for the 5090 at 3000 dollars?

>>1045291 The 5090 at 700 watts (for 10% better performance than the 4090) is more of a concern than a price no one can afford.

>>1045291 Gotta have those reflections anon! >>1045294 You left out how they placed the 5070 and 5060 to fucking crash and burn, by giving them the same specs as the 4070 & 4060.

>>1045282 Motherboard: Asus B650M-E TUF Gaming AX CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Graphics Card: Asus RTX 4070 Super EVO Dual OC - 12GB - White RAM: 32GB Lexar Thor RGB 6000MHz (2x16GB) Drives: 2TB Gen4 Lexar NM790 M.2. NVME (R 7400MBs | W 6500MBs) 8TB Samsung 870 QVO 2.5 SATA III 6Gbs One WD 8HDD I already bought a few months ago. I think that's about it. I could go for an 8tb M2 drive for games but those are 1,800 which is a bit beyond my budget. A samsung SSD will work fine, that's already a $1000. Main point of this build was to future proof my computer. This'll last at least till 2030. 1080p screen I bought back in 2018 is still good, no dead pixels or anything.

>>1045304 Soild.

https://www.logicalincrements.com/ A cute guide for different price points, although any build under $500 probably does better with a used minipc on ebay.

>>1045291 Can't fucking wait for arrogant game devs calling people poor for not having $3000 gpu's to run their un-optimized garbage at less than 60fps.

>>1045299 >You left out how they placed the 5070 and 5060 to fucking crash and burn, by giving them the same specs as the 4070 & 4060. AI needs to crash so bad, I want to see nvidia's stock price plummet and Jenson to commit sudoku. The whole gaming industry is so bloated, greedy and full of poz now that it's worse than Hollywood ever was

>>1045434 >AI needs to crash so bad There's no way Charlie. People try to poison the training data all the time and the gravy train just keeps on rolling.

NZTX got called the fuck out today by GN. >>1045434 For all the shit I gave the 3000 series it was an upgrade from the 2000 series at least.

>>1045299 AMD is apparently focusing on low end. So that's atleast something. Any new from AMDs next gen?

>>1045493 >AMD is apparently focusing on low end. Which is a bad thing as it enables team green to set out the insane prices. >Any new from AMDs next gen? Coming out next year it seems.

When do you expect the RTX 5070 to release?

>>1045493 >>1045507 Honestly, good. I think AyyMD will win out in the long run while (((Jewvidia))) either burns and crashes or pivots entirely to gayI. We are already starting to see the fallout with huge consumer backlash towards the gaytracing scam, though for now it's aimed at Unreal Engine which is just a ripple effect. (((Jewvidia))) just pumps more power into their cards (the 4090 runs shy of half a kilowatt for cripes sake) and the entire gaytracing scheme was because they saw AyyMD catching up to them in raster and realized they needed to create a problem to solve to stay ahead (this can be seen with how AyyMD cards now easily beat (((Jewvidia))) in raster, but dumbshits screech MUH DLSS). (((Jewvidia))) for all intents and purposes is trying to trash the entire industry so it can convince everyone its shoddy AI chips are the future rather than improving on raster, like Crysis 2 tessellation on steroids. AyyMD extracting more raw performance per watt and pursuing efficiency is smarter and more sustainable in the long term. Hell, gaming could be AMAZING right now but (((Jewvidia))), much like globohomo, had to pozz everything to stay relevant. Shitty temporal upscaling that looks like a pajeet smeared his feces all over your screen? Ridiculous scalp prices? Unnecessary gaytracing for a static scene? All Jewvidia. Upscaling was pushed because gaytracing filled the screen with noise artifacts and something was needed to buff them out. With AyyMD, the new race becomes >hey so how long can this amazing looking game run on a 5000mah battery with this generation which should be much more interesting than pursuing diminishing returns especially as gaming starts to shift towards portability rather than pushing upwards to 8K and 16K. If people want to toss shekels to (((Jewvidia)))) like good goyim despite everything out there I say let them. They can't keep this up with how (((modern gaming))) is being shunned.

>>1045493 I dunno, apparently UDNA is gonna be targeting the high end again. They're pulling a Ryzen with their GPUs supposedly.

>>1045515 Q2 2025 if leaks are true.

>>1045526 Hey I hate the companies too but you don't have to replace every single instance of you referring to their companies with a meme name, it makes you look like a retard to be honest. But yeah, it's still pretty garbage. We could be sitting comfy at 1080p or 1440p with stable high-refresh-rates at native resolutions but they want to sell everyone a new 4k monitor and constantly keep the customer just slightly unsatisfied with performance (whether that be the shit price placement of GPUs or how shittily optimized the latest games are) so they'll be more likely to buy a new model. Like 10 years ago I swear you could spend $250 or $300 on a GPU and play nearly everything 1080p 60FPS max. Now, good luck, buy the flagship GPU for the price of a used Jeep Cherokee or deal with medium settings, broke nigger. And like you said now everything has to look like it's passed through a Gaussian blur filter because of these shit upscalers. Games are made with them in mind, so if you somehow force the game to not use temporal upscaling or DLSS or what have you, they look like a mess with weird dithered shadows and disgusting hair on characters and lighting that's all fucked up. Remember when it was native res or bust? Now these companies are just assuming you're upscaling from a sub-1080p resolution anyway. Fuck it. I really hope the bubble bursts for Nvidia soon.

>bring PC outside >blast with air compressor >now running way cooler When's the last time you dusted your machine?

>>1045607 Man, it's been a while actually.

>>1045598 I'm happy with 1440p180Hz I just need more VRAM.

Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WiFi ProSeries CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D 12-Core, 24-Thread Graphics Card: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT RAM: CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6200MHz Drives: WD_Black 1TB SN750 SE NVMe (OS) Lexar 2TB NVMe(Games Library) WD 1TB Blue 2.5 SSD (permanent backup) WD 1TB Blue 2.5 HDD (downloads and temp files) everything was custom made to put on the board. i still have to put on the power switch on the board

>>1045658 MUH TUBES

>>1045658 heres the power button

>>1045665 I like it. Makes it feel like a car

>>1045658 Did you get a watercooled CPU? Part of the reason I chose a slightly cheaper AMD CPU was because anything more expensive requires water cooling.

>>1045667 a CPU isn't cooled by itself. It usually requires an AIO depending on the chipset and wattage used.

>>1045668 I mean one of these, a watercooler for the CPU instead of a regular fan.

>>1045670 i suggest looking at your CPU TDP. if it draws more than 100W or is designed to run hot (ex. amd 7000 series are designed to run at 95c, thats hot as shit.) id get an AIO cooler. doesn't have to be 360mm radiator. 240 is enough for most CPUs. also second thing is make sure it fits in your case before you but it.

>>1045674 I'd go 280 for middle road.

>>1044782 is a rad battletoad a raddletoad

>>1045598 What the fuck happened to gpu prices if top of the line gpu in 2006 cost only $600? and you could get essentially the same gpu for nearly half the price a year later also is it weird if I'm fascinated by old gpus?

>>1045813 I want to go back.

>>1045831 It reminds me of the dual/quadruple gpu in one card cards that used to exist. Ati used to be fond of them

>>1045831 Bitchin'fast and built-to-last.

>>1045813 The only thing I can think of is that. Technology got refined and they stopped caring about wacky designs and focused on streamlining production. (Smaller die size more cuda cores etc.) Right now 4090 is the size of a cinder block.

>>1045434 >>1045436 Part of the reason AI doesn't crash is because the elites believe that they can use it to eventually bring about their Socialist utopia by handling all the production number crunching over to a computer instead of a stupid unenlightened person that will lie to them. So they keep subsidizing it believing that the technology WILL (Not "if") work. Outside of that, there's really no point in this big push for AI as it's not making anything more productive or better to use.

>>1045907 It's just the new tech bubble, like big data, blockchains, apps, 5G connectvity, etc.

>>1045836 The sad thing is that modern day dual GPU cards with smol fans over the chip die aren't outside the realm of physical possibility, but neither Elon Mustard nor Jensen Weltenshuang have shown any desire for large-scale optoelectronic transistor fabrication yet so 12VHPWR house fires it is.

>>1045948 I think the first gen intel dGPUs had some single slot blower models meant for compact computers, it came with the shorter pcie bracket as an option.

>>1045490 >NZTX got called the fuck out today by GN. That was worse than I expected.

>>1046014 Yeah, I'm honestly surprised Linus came out unscathed after GN called their ass out

>>1045917 Except, no, it's what he said. It's not backed by "market forces." It's backed by the single global government and infinite currency.

>>1046029 Sounds like a market with a very interested buyer.

Intel's new GPUs are announced. Will they ever be able to recover from their humiliating CPU collapse in the face of ARM's rise? https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/3/24311887/intel-battlemage-b580-b570-price-release-date https://archive.ph/t6HAr

>>1046345 Intresting... just the question is if they'll improve their directx9 emulator, because at the moment... it just kinda sucks. >their humiliating CPU collapse Oh yeah AMD CPUs are actually popular aren't it?

>>1046346 The 13 and 14th gen intel chips are basically all duds and the only remedy was downclocking to 12th gen speeds to avoid thermal meltdowns. New intel chips are sidegrades from the models that do work from 14th gen.

>>1045907 I still don't understand why anyone would want that excessive liability. A.I automation in business will fail because of a lack of any competent oversight. By contrast A.I is best suited for chatting up and playing dress up with my cute virtual assistant.

>>1045907 >>1046372 I would be willing to bet that by the time the next decade rolls around China will have societal monitoring that will function more-or-less like it was ripped from the pages of some dystopian cyberpunk speculative fiction and it will be powered by machine learning. They already have the groundwork laid but fully integrating machine learning into it will supercharge it.

Do you still have and use a CRT monitor?

Has anyone tried bazzite? Im thinking of using my old laptop turn it into an htpc and play movies and FTL on my bed

>>1046473 Have it in storage, but use oled for desk space and refresh rate. If it was a 1080p one maybe I'd entertain using it. Maybe the imac g3 has historical value too.

>>1046346 >Oh yeah AMD CPUs are actually popular aren't it? AMD stuff has overtaken intel in the DIY market.

>>1047254 There's also ryzen lenovo minipcs hitting the used market for $50-80 in bulk since IT depts are phasing them out after 5 years.

>>1045665 That's not that impressive. My gaming computer has a key too.

>>1045658 Does this not cause really dangerous dust buildup?

>>1047283 Pretty sure it's less than normal since the dust gets blown away instead of being trapped in. The only danger is if you have a visible layer of dust it can cause conductivity for short circuits, but still rarely.

>>1046616 I also want to know. Win11 run likes doo doo on my craptop.

>>1047298 I think Win11 runs like shit on every machine, it's a terrible bloated OS. Wish I could speak for Bazzite, it's rather new so you don't see too much about and most reviews I've found are about running it on UMPCs. If it's anything like the OS it's forked from, it should be a modified version of Arch running KDE as its DE. Sounds reasonable enough for gayming.

>>1047349 Are you even paying attention to the conversation or is "Arch" an MKUltra activation word for you

<<1047349 Bazzite Linux is a fork of SteamOS 3, which is based on Arch albeit heavily modified.

>>1047349 It all depends how you install that shit, or how smart are you to find distro with as quick installation of wine and proprietary drivers to run a windows based video game without issues as half a day.

>>1047351 MKultra nowadays is only for ubuntu and supported systems. Don't know if it works for arch, gomen.

>>1047388 I can't tell who are bigger cancer, Windows users or windows/linux users.

>>1047392 People that dual boot windows/linux uses only uses windows while never touching the linux install.

>>1047388 I've got both linux and windows on separate computers... Poorfags seething

>>1047392 Mac users are the absolute worst.

>>1047409 Mac users>Android users

>>1047392 I dual boot for games that I can't play on Linux, but Linux is my main desktop. Windows 11 even with a shell is complete dogshit, and I just don't think Microsoft cares enough about it to fix its major issues.

>>1047392 I dual boot for code I can't build on Windows, but Windows is my main desktop. Linux and its second-rate FOSS programs are complete dogshit, and I just don't think there's enough money put into it to fix its major issues.

>>1047392 Mac/Apple Users, actually

>>1047392 I use openBSD and play games on consoles.

>>1047392 Linux users

>>1047423 Which Distro/DE are you using?

>>1047428 I use TempleOS and play games on pen and paper so the CIA niggers who glow in the dark can't interfere if I'm playing.

>>1047439 How do you play video games then?

>>1047440 ternary neural co-processor

>>1047428 I will use windiws 98 pc for my games

>>1047388 >dropping Linux I laughed, but not making the Penguin black let me down. 5/10

>>1047450 I will play Reversi on Windows 1.0 over The Game Awards slop. >>1047454 Niggering the penguin is tinkering, heretical to the Windowsists. Maybe a Torvaldsite can gif the job done.

>>1047342 >>1047298 I bit the linux gaming bug a year back. So far its running flawlessly. I used linux mint and got no hiccups so far. Sekiro plays well, Onirism runs well, even though its a early access game, even my summer car. I assume most VNs would run well too for the (1)s

>>1047465 I've had a great experience with Mint Cinnamon, it's not my first distro but it has been the easiest I've used. It has some definite Linux-isms but honestly, they're not as bad as the quirks Windows has. I can actually find settings in Mint.

>>1047458 This gives me a question do any of you fags have a retro gaming pc? Yes I know it might be kinda useless. But it's sometimes a fun hobby from what I've heard.

>>1047465 >>1047472 After using Linux (Arch BTW) for awhile, I've gotta back up this sentiment. Every day I upgrade and have to give my boot settings a stink eye just in case somehow the pacman upgrade fucks it up. Somehow. I realized how much I value stability in a system. I don't mind tinkering as much on an already working system, which will happen on any Linux distro, but so often I'm fixing shit from a live USB and that's not a fun feeling. A lot of issues from KDE too. It's a comprehensive (which is important to me) desktop environment, but fuck its devs break shit every other day. Imagine not having a stable version. Imagine pushing people onto Wayland and then getting a huge uptick in bug reports (lmao.)

>>1047440 I astral project into the mind of God.

>>1047458 i satisee. anothisfaction caramenlightened caramelinux userlicious.

>>1047472 >>1047465 I also use Linux Mint and I have almost nothing but regrets. I bought a new computer just to play total warhammer 3 and that shit crashes everytime I start a campaign. Almost every game that I play have some fucking issue, either it doesn't boot up or it has some weird audio issue. Usually I would just google a solution but nobody uses this fucking system so nobody has solved this stuff before me. Every day i think about going back to win10 and the only thing that prevents me is laziness.

>>1047465 Yeah, Linux runs games really good outside of certain instances (Anti-Cheat or incompatable DRM). Although sometimes there's a heavy performance loss to the point where you can't run a certain game on a 4080S and you have to switch back to Windows because its running so poorly FF16 on NVidia runs terribly on Linux

>>1047527 I'm thinking of buying a laptop with Linux pre-installed and I can choose which parts to add in from laptop with Linux.com. Which version would you recommend?

>>1047535 I am not the right guy to ask, I have only tried distro. If you want to play any sort of videogames I would just tell you to stick to windows.

>>1047537 >I have only tried 1 distro Is what I meant to say. Linux Mint is not good for gaming.

>>1047538 I've played two dozen games on Linux Mint over the past year. Maybe you're just playing shitty games?

>>1047543 I don't know if they are shitty games, how could I know if they don't work on my OS?

>>1047573 simple does it work on linux? no? shitty game so linux isn't bad for gaming, yes it works? the goat. this reeducation paid for by linux foundation

>>1047397 I have a dual boot set up but I use Windows so little that I never got around to setting up Grub to see it. Something actually broke it and left it unbootable two years ago, and I only got around to reinstalling it this summer because I just never cared enough to bother. I haven't logged in again since that reinstall.

If (You) can install the DirectX9.0c that came with your favorite 2000s-era PC game, (You) can use wine.

>>1047392 BSDfags because that implicates consolefags as well :3

>>1047527 >play total warhammer 3 and that shit crashes everytime Its a native title though, so the game should technically run. However on protondb its rated as gold, meaning it will play after some tweaks. https://www.protondb.com/app/1142710 Check these comments and see if it helps. Or you can use the windows version and proton through that, some poorly bugged shit runs better through proton.

>>1047596 This is literally true. The ONLY game that I haven't been able to play on Linux Mint is Payday 2, and that's just because I can't connect to multiplayer. And Payday 2 fucking sucks!

>>1045490 Now they've responded to NZXT's inadequate rebuttal. https://youtu.be/DAANNGvMANM

>>1047737 >I can't connect to multiplayer. Is Steam still trying to ship the Linux build even though its been discontinued? Fucking lazy OVK not even pulling it down...

Might get a VR headset for Christmas, worth it or just a gimmick? How do headsets stack against each other?

>>1047900 Cheaper quest 3 sku has quest 2 screens but upgraded tracking and processor I think. Still kind of ass to connect to pc I think and youll want whatever strap upgrade they sell, but it's not as bad as quest 2's. Also something about earphones. Outside of that, valve announced a new headset with camera tracking instead of laser lighthouses, so the value might be better. Apple's is a meme for now, dunno anything about psvr2 for pc besides people saying its a middle ground between quest 2 and valve's. There are probably other options but most people go for one of these.

>>1047854 win10 ltsc I hope >>1047900 >>1047737 Payday 2 was so fucking good in 2014, even was ported natively to linux. Then overkill fucked everything to hell and beyond

>>1047731 Native support doesn't mean shit if the devs didn't test the game to run on a variety of machines. They do they bare minimum of porting over to linux and nothing else, not even play a mission. Linux graphics pipeline is simply too scattered and has tons of variable which means if you have single different key the program crashes. You simply cannot program to handle every permutation and package scenario. Standardization is the only way forwards. Till then linux is a shotgun roulette, may work on every machine except your specific installation.

>>1047950 you seem to be an esl but im curious, why is the linux pipeline so scattered and why there are so many variables what is a key too? you mean like environment variables? You should spell better too.

>>1047976 Probably a salty wayland user.

>>1047976 The basis of the problem is that "Linux" isn't truly an operating system. "Linux" is just the kernel, and other groups of people will take that kernel and bundle it with different libraries, software, desktop environments etc and that's how you get your Debians, Ubuntus, SUSE, Arch, Fedora etc. In theory, every distribution of Linux can run the same applications if you just install the correct libraries, drivers, software etc, but this is a challenge, because every distro is free to ship or not ship whatever it wants, and there's usually good technical reasons to selectively ship or not ship some libraries. True standardisation, where every distro ships the exact same things, is impossible because Linux is free software and people have the right to release whatever they want with it. The real solution to this has been containerisation and dependency bundling. Steam already does this for the most part, where it gets most linux native games to use it's own native steam runtime which is independent of what is installed on your distro. Appimage and Flatpak and snap applications, do something similar, where the dependencies are bundled with the application and thus are independent of those that exist on the system. Thus all your distro needs to be able to do is run flatpaks or appimages, and it will be able to run all of these applications.

>>1047984 Except the problem is those containers sometimes have bugs not found in native versions, so now every dev has to learn 4 ways to distribute their app just for linux users.

>>1047987 >those containers sometimes have bugs That's true, but is only really applicable for extremely complex applications. For example the the flatpak version of steam, is known to have problems running games that the packaged version does not, probably because it's trying to run it's own runtimes, from within the flatpak container, which is running on top of the system. But these bugs have and are getting fixed over time. So I think that will eventually become a non-issue. Overall, making one or two "universal" versions of your application, is still more efficient than compiling multiple dozens of packages for different distro families and packaging formats, as well as different versions of the same distro, e.g. ubuntu 24.XX, 22.XX, 20.XX etc.

>>1047984 I don't see why the system requirements could not state something like "requires SDL2 >=2.1.4" and whatever other requirements there are. Or bundle the libraries if you really have to. As for drivers, you cannot bundle those of course, but I don't see how the situation is any worse than on Windows.

>>1048006 >>1047984 >>1047994 So is it similar to early days of XP where you needed this specific driver for this specific brand of ATI cards and you need service pack 1 for running directX 9a and not directX 9 base version?

Valve is preparing for a console sized steam device, codenamed fremont. Its not a handheld device, and rumors comes soon after valve updated branding logos to include a Powered by SteamOS logo. So they also have planned to release SteamOS to other brands.

>>1048264 forgot source - https://archive.is/iTOHm

>>1048264 >>1048265 Not entirely new information but it does appear the Steam Console will be announced sooner rather than later. It's been known about since at least 2023, but they've had a project like this floating around inside the company for a very long time. I have no context for production pipelines to know how far along a project is if you're releasing graphical assets for third-parties.

>>1048271 yep, and this would also double up as a base station for their upcoming deckard/roy VR headsets. Still they wouldn't release it to public until atleast 6 months of public testing

>>1048264 Wondering what the price on this will be since over $300 of any PC build these days is going to tied up in basic parts every computer needs (motherboard, case, power supply, ram, storage) and you can't really go lower quality on. 700 USD is the cap on effective price

>>1048283 Around $5-600, give or take. They can save money since You aren't looking at a screen, battery etc but need cooling and power supply

>>1048264 Another thing - they are planning to brand controllers as Steam Compatible, so you'll have 3rd party controllers that'll work on steamOS. They must have touchpads, gyro aiming etc. so they could receive such compatibility. Also - notice they have 2 versions of Steam branding. One is Powered by SteamOS, for 3rd party devices running SteamOS out of teh box, and Steam Included, which will like by steam as an app you can access.

>>1048290 $100 shitbooks with steam branding on it would be so funny.

>>1048290 >>1048293 Having actually read the PDF, they say you can only use those logos on the packaging/marketing material to indicate it has SteamOS installed or is SteamVR compatible. You can't imply it's an official Valve product in any way, so no notebooks with the Steam logo printed on back. >The Steam Included logo indicates that the Steam client is included with a hardware product. Manufacturers of these products will have accepted the terms of the Steam Client Distribution Agreement, and will include the Steam client with the product in the form for which they are licensed (boot loader or fully compiled.) Physical alterations should not be made to the logo and it should not be combined with any other branding elements >The Steam Included logo should always be less prominent than your product’s own branding. This logo communicates that the Steam client is already installed on the product hey are purchasing. It must not be used in a way that suggests the product is designed or endorsed by Valve. The whole this is here.

*whole thing

>>1048297 I'm not saying it would look like a valve netbook, just that it being able to advertise itself as a gaming pc just for having steam installed is funny.

>>1048006 You can do whatever you want with Linux, it'll never have a stable ABI required for developing native games on like Win32, D3D9 or D3D11. Something always breaks because the Linux community ideologically opposes stability and compatibility, they view all software on Linux as throwaway and rolling release, and it's "not their problem if proprietary software doesn't work anymore." Linus Torvalds himself looks down upon video games and said they're a waste of time and that the last game he played was Prince of Persia for DOS. Wine/Proton is what gives Linux users a stable ABI to run their games on.

>>1048347 Hearing shit like this makes me wish Microsoft wasn't run by fucking retards.

>>1048190 Yes, but also no due to built-in package management being six gorillion times better than the Microshaft approach of self-contained installation wizards bundled with BonziBuddy.

>>1048347 >Something always breaks because the Linux community ideologically opposes stability and compatibility Partially true. Linus has a strict rule that the kernel should never break userspace, but your absolutely correct on all the other open source software. The big problem is most programmers are looking to only solve their own problems, and are only, by consequence of the GPL, sharing their solution with everyone. And the moment it's no longer their problem, they drop their maintainership. The only reason it all works is you have some programmers being traditionally employed to maintain the critical parts of the OS now. Loki Entertainment tried to solve this issue in the late 90's with SDL and OpenAL

>>1047349 arch isn't even that hard

>>1051226 neither is gentoo

>>1051231 let's be serious for a second anon

>>1051226 i use it btw... easy for me (my brains kinda big)

>>1051232 No really my retard-ass was able to do it, it was easier than arch until the kernel parameters, and that's human-readable.

>>1047533 Depends on the game. Some actually run better than Windows (slight better, but better) due to shader precomp and Windows being super bloated. >FF16 on NVidia runs terribly on Linux I think it's more a Nvidia driver problem. Hoping they open source more driver stuff so I can get a GPU capable of generating naked cartoon girls next time I upgrade GPU.

I suffered from gaming addiction no therapist could cure, then I installed Linux. Half the games broke, the rest were too much work. Thank you Torvalds, you cured my gaming addiction! But I'm no longer productive, since that takes too long on Linux. Well, more time to post about how everything bad on Linux is good!

This thread's all off topic, OS isn't PC hardware or PC hardware news. Let's all change that, first gay to mention OS is a Super Faggot. OKI Circuit Technology has announced a new printed circuit board (PCB) design that can boost component heat dissipation by up to 55x, where a PCB is packed with stepped circular or rectangular copper coins. Where OKI says coins, it is describing a copper structure that is rather like a rivet. Also, where it says stepped, it means that one end of the coin, or rivet, is a different size from the other. It gives the example of a stepped coin with a diameter of 7mm at the bonding surface with an electronic component, and 10mm at the heat-dissipating surface. "The newly developed stepped copper coin features a larger heat-dissipating area relative to the bonding surface with the heat-generating electronic component to improve heat conduction efficiency," OKI explains. Then it goes on to say how its new rectangular coins are great for wicking the heat from traditionally rectangular heat-generating electronic components. Component makers like Asus, ASRock, Gigabyte, and MSI often boast about their lavish use of copper in motherboards and other components. Perhaps OKI's new stepped copper coins would be beneficial, too. These coins can extend through the PCB to conduct heat to large metal casings, suggests OKI. They could potentially connect to backplates and other cooling apparatus.

>>1051283 This is interesting, although heat dissipation is rarely brought up these days because chips are getting more efficient by the minute. This will push it to new levels if developed properly

>>1051375 Heat dissipation's important for consumers since dissipated heat lets consumers overclock more and run shit faster.

>>1051283 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyai_kUYhLs Here another on similar vein, a new kind of solid state cooling that pushes air by ionizing air and pushing them towards oppositely charged grills to generate a small air current. Its called Ionic Cooling Engine (ICE) by ventiva. The good news is unlike other solid state cooling, its already put into a laptop and will be showcased next month CES. Don't know which company. This is much better than the piezo-electric vibrating fan technology that also has solid state cooling because it actually displaces a moderate amount of air at low watts. And is actually solid, zero moving or vibrating parts

>>1051379 I thought it was neat, until you realize it's an ion engine, converting oxygen into ozone, and that their solution to all the ozone is a catalytic converter. Also, the static pressure is so limp-dicked, you'd need to thin out and lengthen the fin stack instead of compressing it to get equivalent cooling, eating up the saved space.

>>1051455 The catalyst can also make nitrous oxide during the rebonding since the air isnt pure oxygen.

I surprised nobody posted here. Where are all the /g/men? Intel B580 beats 4060 and 7600 at $250, is the best entry level GPU now And is immediately out of stock. Steve declared it the only value wise choice in midrange 1080p and 1440p. It fixed nearly all driver related issues of previous intel arc gpus and even catches upto 4060 in ray-tracing. Intel finally did something good this year

I've seen people endlessly whining about how the 5000 series still has "only" 8GB VRAM, but honestly that's good for the industry. Anyone else old enough to remember when people actually had to know how to code to write good software? When hardware restrictions explicitly required people to be intelligent and write tight, simple, clean, fast code because computers physically couldn't handle sloppy streetshitter spaghetti. I support the 5000, 6000, and 7000 series of GPUs remaining at 8GB (and only improving on TDP, etc.) to force the entire video game industry to write games that aren't absolute fucking shit.

>>1053121 >shittier "entry" level hardware will improve how games are coded Nope. Saw this already with Starfield. Only non-AAA, which are not the games you are talking about, will ever have decent performance these days. Why? AAA Game companies are provided top-of-the-line gaming rigs and the marketers are told these are 'average.' Performance issues would only matter when the company in question has been slapped hard and often enough to actually care about the slop they produce. And the only reason why indies will have decent performance is because they already and usually always have cared. This doesn't change that. It never did. Nvidia can provide 4 more gigs of VRAM. They just don't want to. And that is inexcusable.

>>1053121 >I support the 5000, 6000, and 7000 series of GPUs remaining at 8GB (and only improving on TDP, etc.) to up-sell consumers to buy higher-end cards at twice the cost in order to play games at a decent level of performance

>>1053121 Guess you're playing on medium textures then, bud.

>>1053091 If it beats the 5060 then it will turn heads. Beating a 1.5 year old card looks less impressive.

>>1053147 It's more people can get a decent GPU without breaking the bank.

>>1053091 >Steve declared it the only value wise choice in midrange 1080p and 1440p. Thanks Steve.

>>1053127 >only AAA Yes, so fuck them. They're all propagandists funded by BlackRock/Vanguard/governments/etc. in the first place. The rest of the industry will benefit from having hardware restrictions again, rather than being told "OY VEY YOU CAN'T RUN THE GAME ON YOUR MONTH OLD HARDWARE? JUST UPGRADE IMMEDIATELY AGAIN, GOYIM!" >>1053133 You're bad at this. >>1053138 I have a GTX 980. Medium is a pipe dream for most "modern" games. I just don't care.

>>1053164 >has gtx 980 >10 year old hardware <doesn't want hardware to improve Anon, it's time to save money for an upgrade.

>>1053168 It's GC tard.

>>1053121 >GPUs should have more Vram in order to force developers to be competent. Not going to happen. Not when all of the hardware is standardized x86, not when all the game engines are standardizing to UE dogshit, not when there is an entire industry of diploma mill retards getting hired on to outsourcing studios so that they can be shuffled around AAA seamlessly in order to get a game out in under half a decade. Constraints do breed innovation and allow talent to shine all the brighter - but there are no more constraints in today's market. The largest bottleneck to game development now is scale. That's not something you can fix by having jewvidia scam customers out of 16GB Vram on their $2000 cards.

>>1053168 >doesn't want Try again. I want hardware to improve. It's just that software has to improve first, otherwise there aren't any actual improvements. >>1053169 Congrats on being wrong, dipshit. He's a retard. >>1053200 >The largest bottleneck to game development now is scale. Animal Well got to the kosher game awards with a single developer. I'm not sure administrative scale problems are even a requirement for developing a popular game. And that card game, Balatro, is apparently also only made by one person.

>>1053200 >The largest bottleneck to game development now is scale. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop; what the fuck is the point in paying some thirdie who doesn't know shit about vidya design to make hideously bloated rock textures when shit like that was literally what generative AI was designed to do? There has to be someone making tools like this so a dev can say "make me a dark granite texture at [insert resolution] or " make me a crater with a field of boulders" and have it happen. Being able to automate a significant chunk of that grunt work as opposed to offshoring it would make life so much easier and cheaper and the proc-gen potential is huge. You could have a game like daggerfall but have the cities be actually worth visiting by randomly adding elements like an ethnic ghetto or the town rioting because the latest beer shipment was hijacked by orcs and is being held for ransom or showing up on a local holiday and having services not be available. I'm actually a bit optimistic on this subject because despite the whining and crying of devs about "muh jobs" and "muh industry crisis" the people holding the pursestrings care about the money and when their attention falls on some indie game with a budget of approximately tree fiddy US made with AI that has more scope in its open world than most AAA games they're going to say "why the fuck are we paying hundreds of millions of dollars to marginally competent contractors when we could be doing this ourselves" and there will be a cull. Hopefully this is already happening.

>>1053221 >make hideously bloated rock textures And this shit started quite a while ago. Metal Gear Rising is ~25 gigabytes, but ~21 of that is uncompressed, prerendered cutscenes. The fucking game itself is NOTHING compared to that.

>>1053164 Nigger I have a 960 and could play helldivers 2 just fine.

>>1053228 >helldivers 2 I loved that game and it hurts how dirty Sony did it.

>>1053121 >>1053127 Yeah I don't really visit /v/ that often whether here or on botnetchan much because people here mostly jerk off over the latest shitware that requires a RTX 5090 to run smoothly on 1080p with DLSS and 200GB of available storage. >>1053221 >Being able to automate a significant chunk of that grunt work as opposed to offshoring it would make life so much easier and cheaper and the proc-gen potential is huge. You could have a game like daggerfall but have the cities be actually worth visiting by randomly adding elements like an ethnic ghetto or the town rioting because the latest beer shipment was hijacked by orcs and is being held for ransom or showing up on a local holiday and having services not be available. You can make a Daggerfall Unity mod right now to do exactly what you're describing. So why aren't you? Why are you instead just pontificating on /v/ right now if you're implying it's so easy? For me it would be demoralizing to try to use AI generated content and put it together. If you're an artist, director, designer or whatever else, you need to feel motivated to do your work. If you're not motivated, you'll either produce nothing (because you're doing it for free or for yourself) or you'll produce garbage (i.e. you're only doing it because you're getting paid to by an employer, which isn't a strong motivation for artists). Creative work requires a different mindset from algorithmic/programming work. Trying to figure out whether your plot feels interesting, which ChatGPT is not capable of determining despite what techbros and investors claim, is not the same as designing and implementing a physics engine.

>>1053245 > because people here mostly jerk off over the latest shitware that requires a RTX 5090 to run smoothly on 1080p with DLSS and 200GB of available storage. <On a board that shits on most new games and in a hardware thread where everyone has been relentlessly shitting on Nvidia

>>1053228 Oh, sure. There are plenty of games still being release that I can run. A growing number can't be. I'm fine with that (mostly) because a lot of them are commie propaganda. Some are cool that my system just can't handle. I'll upgrade when I upgrade. Might be another decade, honestly. Plenty of games I enjoy that I can still play.

>>1053245 >You can make a Daggerfall Unity mod right now to do exactly what you're describing. >So why aren't you? Why are you instead just pontificating on /v/ right now if you're implying it's so easy? I'm not implying that it's easy, I'm wondering why someone hasn't already built tools to these ends when this kind of thing is literally one of the primary use cases for generative AI and "this game has infinite [insert feature]s" still somehow manages to get the interest of people. >Creative work requires a different mindset from algorithmic/programming work. Yeah, I know. I haven't don't much game dev but I have a lot of experience with OSR tabletop games and those require both. >Trying to figure out whether your plot feels interesting, which ChatGPT is not capable of determining despite what techbros and investors claim, is not the same as designing and implementing a physics engine. Of course. My point is that in modern gaems there is a gargantuan amount of relatively low-skilled VFX labor (of the "it just needs to be good enough" flavor) that is already being farmed out. I'm not saying "AI should be writing games and designing characters" I'm saying "why the fuck would anyone pay hundreds of thirdies to make barely-adequate photorealistic background clutter when you could license an AI and do that for a fraction of the cost even with extensive retouching and editing". What I'm describing is more like an ecumenical flavor of Speedtree than ChatGPT; if you think that making rocks or texturing sidewalks or clutter in a dungeon is drudge work and you'd rather be doing something else then being able to press a button and get all of the "good enough" results you want means that you can spend more time and effort and money on things like writing.

>>1045665 Wait, WHITES post here?!

>>1053338 White Power