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Alternative history thread Strelok 07/09/2021 (Fri) 15:42:02 No. 7665
This thread includes alternative history wars, conflicts, weapons, tactics and more. For instance >Axis victory proxy wars >Their equipment >East centered world, conflicts And more
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What if Carter/Reagan had permitted the export of US fighter aircraft to West Taiwan, with the legitimate government of China adopting the F-20 just before the end of the cold war? How would the Tigershark compete in the post-cold war export markets of Europe, South America and the Middle East? Would the damage incurred from simulated F-16 losses to Tigersharks in combat trials conducted by prospective buyers lead Lockheeb into a slightly more aggressive modernization path for the F-16? Would the F-20 being sold to and used by US allies have any effect on the ATF and JAST/JSF programs?
>>7879 >Would the US Let Germans Rebuild? It depends on whether Truman is allowed to stay in office. Letting an American city be gassed would be grossly incompetent to the point of impeachment, and Congress would feel the pressure of a nuclear power on America's doorstep. Since the Succession Act didn't exist, the next president would either be voted for in a snap election (probably Dewey vs Thurmond, though any non-interventionist Democrat would probably try to throw his hat in) or appointed by Congress. The latter is a hellish scenario since whoever is put in charge would either be a puppet of the party or someone the Democrats would tout as tougher but more competent than Truman. However, anyone who is put in charge has to cow to Germany or else they'll be remembered as worse than Truman because they'll have let a United States soil be nuked. The best they could demand might be limited demilitarization of Japan and the allowance of American companies to take part in reconstruction and for a joint oversight committee to be made. However, so many nuclear strikes would likely mean that the Japanese military is already in shambles. The election scenario would naturally allow someone more amicable to be at the table with the Germans, but it would likely be a snap election.
>>7880 Wasn't the AIDS F-CK China, essentially a homemade F-20?
>>7854 >leaked geopositioning from some politicians and the names of nearby islands Ok, not him but I'm interested, can you be more specific/point me in the right direction?
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>>7880 >over9000hours MSPaint shitpost based on some obscure chinese cartoon from the 80s I made before even cuckchan was cucked finally posted by another person a decade later You are my greatest ally krautanon, and not only because of paying my denbts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlLV2ExI9o
>>7884 I don't really understand why some anons get really emotional over someone else posting an image he or she edited
>>7885 >being too autistic to understand basic human feelings It's fine, you are in good company here.
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>>7885 > he or she Did you just ASSUME I'm binary?!
If the HMS Lion had been lost with all hands including Sir David Beatty during the initial Battlecruiser engagement at the battle of Jutland, what ramifications would this have had on the battle itself and on British naval strategy in the years to come?
Here is my recent Alt-History posting nya~ >>7887 Nice nya~
>>7889 Thanks but 49% yourself, tripnigger, desu.
>>7890 Nein nya~
>>7877 Okay, let's say soon after WWI the French government screwed up so much that even Versailles robbery does not quite cover this mess. And some pompous idiot said something wildly unpopular on public. And/or overeager local Communists jumped the gun with a failed coup. Then some gentleman known to us as "Le Coq" rides the wave of rhetoric to the effect that the war was stupid at day one, their puppet government sucks more than those newfangled vacuum cleaners, and being puppets of Brits cannot lead to anything wholesome ever. Reminds of England being their traditional enemy and anything unpleasant coming from it, too. Many wince, but hey, it's a pillar of sanity compared to Robespierre and his ilk. The veterans generally abstain or support, so the nationalist movement spins up and their coup succeeds. Then they fight off various local loons (and maybe haphazard interbrigades) and join the European Anti-Communist club. So far, not entirely impossible. But why would they and how could they ally with Germans too close? There are several thorny issues. Let alone actually wage a war against Brits? France is not desperate. Favorable trade conditions and mutual support against Brits and Communists with the rest of the bloc, sure. But not much beyond this. >>7891 Why are you trying to argue with a bot?
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>>7892 My personal headcannon is that the French government decides to be less neutral than historically in the Spanish civil war and sends their own Legion Condor equivalent over there in order to stimulate the war economy and show everyone how relevant France still is as a great power. The Spanish Republic gradually wears down the Spanish State, but as they do so they keep murdering clerics and razing civilian settlements so hard France and Europe by proxy experience somewhat of a refugee crisis which pisses off the Church and much of France's right wing while making the Krauts and Italians slightly less evil in mainstream media for providing humanitarian aid to the Nationalists. The refugees are weaponized into making the French government look like degenerate heretics for aiding the Red Terror by France's growing right wing opposition, Britain eventually drops out after the fucken reds use French-supplied tanks adorned with the heads of their enemies as decoration in the Sevilla holocaust of late 1938, the French government suspends all lend-lease to the Spanish Republic in January 1939 and withdraws its volunteers. Hitler meanwhile does Hitler things, albeit being aware of France's increasingly dysfunctional government he tends to avoid the topic of Elsaß-Lothringen in order to keep the French somewhat divided. The Spanish Nationalists keep losing territory with refugees continuing to flow into Europe through Gnahzee NGOs :^) even as tensions between the Great Powers build up, the French left wing doing their best to cite the rapid German rearmament as reason for their continued existence while the French right wing argues that the Germans would've never been able to do so if not for Left-France's disgusting war conduct fueling pro-fascist sentiment across the continent. While this is going on France decides to recall some guns, artillery pieces and the occasional light tank that were loaned to the Spanish Republic, they agree as the Spanish State is on its last legs in Galicia with the Germans and Italians having largely stopped their regular lend-lease supplies but then the various Soviet-supplied groups largely responsible for the red terror remove the Republican government only to purge each other into open warfare the moment after. A vote of no confidence against Daladier follows, but it's aborted mid-session due to German tourists crossing the Polish border. As WW2 kicks off French authorities try to shut down the French Right wing though media censorship, but they can't do a whole lot other than screech at Hitler due to a significant portion of the French armed forces holding less than favorable views of their civilian leaders and Swiss journalists observing the conditions at refugee camps. During the phony war the French right prepare to coup the government in the hopes of stopping the war before it can escalate into another trench bloodbath, they do this by putting as many leftists as they can on the German border while hunting for unpatriotic traitors within their own ranks, which is where they discover an eerie amount of MI6 glow in the darks snooping as usual. An ebin spy crusade ensues that's just successful enough to catch MI6niggers off guard when the coup happens on the same day Hitler has the Wehrmacht visit Belgium for the first time, the newly proclaimed 5th French Republic immediately signs a ceasefire with the Krauts not wanting to risk a repeat of 1870 and soon after a peace treaty in which Belgium has to surrender Eupen-Malmedy to Germany leaving Hitler content as the stunned British recall the BEF troops stationed in France. Over the summer Hitler, Mussolini, Petain and punished Franco discuss ways to solve the Spanish problem, direct military involvement is considered but ruled out due to the ongoing war between Britain and Germany. Instead they agree to arm and train able-bodied Spanish refugees en masse as "volunteers", ship them off to Spain and have them defeat the anarcho-syndicalist bandits scouring the Iberian wasteland with "volunteer" air support from the Great Powers. In exchange the Balearic islands are split between France and Italy, with a super sekrit clause that permits Spain to reclaim Gibraltar in the event of unforeseen circumstances involving the British. MI6 gets wind of this but somewhere down the line "cede the Balearic islands in exchange for lend-lease and in the event of unforeseen circumstances involving Britain a reclamation of Gibraltar" turns into "cede the Balearic islands in exchange for Gibraltar" due to a faulty cipher and the agent transmitting the message getting captured before he was able to finish according to official sources, though some argue the agent may have done this deliberately at the same time a French merchant ship is sunk by a British submarine in the south Atlantic having been mistaken for a German Q-Ship. Churchill immediately screeches out a declaration of war against everyone who pissed on his empire, the French, Germans and Italians rapidly move into Iberia, Portugal joins the alliance that would later be known as the Axis powers and Gibraltar is lost to anti-semitic forces which leads into >>7877 How retarded is this on a scale from alternatehistory.com to Ace Combat?
Americans want to live in a police state because Americans are terrified that their neighbor might start a pig farm next to their house, but who owns your neighbor's home? Do you really think that freedom doesn't benefit you? Do you think that you are exempt from tyranny? Do you realize that freedom is a two-way street? If you want your neighbor to go to jail for having a flag-pole, don't be surprised when you are arrested for owning a driveway. Can't you solve problems without a law? Can't you talk to those who bother you? Couldn't you just move away? Do Americans realize that the US used to be a free country? Do Americans know that the Soviet Union failed?
>>7894 >All this Simple americans are dumb. Always have been and now are twice since people are more dumber then before
>>7894 This is an old bot, saw it on oneech.an or something nya~ >>7895 Since Lincoln was assassinated the US (((regime))) has been systematically and increasingly anti-White and anti-Intellect, and pro-nigger nyaa~
>>7894 >tf >tp At least I don’t have to ask permission from my village council to repaint my door, yurokek
Let's say the German and Italian attempts to transport European tech to glorious Nippon see a considerably higher rate of success than they did in OTL until Overlord at least. What gaijin tech would see the most practical use within the Nipponese militaries given political constraints IJA-IJN infighting, Zaibatsu jewry, and what gnahzee invention would best serve Nippon's strategic needs from a purely military(-industrial) perspective? The IJA put a cache of german MG151s onto a few dozen Ki-61s when Nippon was getting B-29'd and the tried to get Jet+Rocket propulsion from the Krauts too, going as far even as to make a Me-163 clone and a weeb Me 262 without swept wings from what little could be obtained. If Nips got their hands on a DB-605AM, would the Ki-100 never exist in its radial powered form and would the introduction of MW50 in up-engined Ki-61s assuming they can manage to produce clone engines in sufficient numbers slightly reduce the damage incurred by Nip industry from B-29 raids? Would Mitsubishi try to sabotage Kawasaki for stealing the Raiden's spotlight should MW50'd Hiens prove themselves as effective high-altitude interceptors despite not being explicitly designed as such?
>>7898 O-I heavy tanks seeing the light of day?
>>7689 I think you can make a plausible argument for America's economy collapsing. We made a lot of loans to the British during WW1 even before officially joining, and just them losing and getting saddled with reparations would be bad news all on its own, never mind what would happen if the Empire was exiled to Canada and the socialist revolution in the home island refused to honor the debt. >>7691 Executing John Brown would be a great start.
>>7895 >tf >tp
>>7901 >>tf >>tp Speak english, colonist
>>7902 Quite so.
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The Man in the High Castle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61souSkwDk4 ERIKA!
The US today is the opposite of what the USA was in 1999. Americans used to support personal responsibility, morality, peace, freedom, and balanced budgets. Now Americans love dependency, immorality, war, tyranny, and debt.
>>7906 As Mr. Vileno! once said >hell is only a word >the reality is much worse
Communists say that solar power must be mandatory, Nazis say that solar power must be banned, and Libertarians say that solar power should be optional, but what you think doesn't matter because the elites have already decided for you. https://www.f4bbs.com/F4BBS/viewforum.php?id=1
Why is some retard using this thread for incoherent schizo babble?
>>7909 Because he's a schizo? Just report the posts and move on.
>>7910 >report lol are you unaware the guy who runs this board is perfectly fine with it being shat up? Reports are useless I'm just wondering what particular hair got up this broken brain's ass.
What effects could've occured if an early 20th century Great Power other than the United Kingdom had been the first to field a Dreadnought-spec Battleship?
>>7912 The burgers were pretty close to launching their first dreadnought before the bongs, so it would have barely changed anything. The technologies were simply not there until the early 1900s, and launching the first dreadnought a few years earlier or later is not that much of a difference.
>>7913 >a few years earlier I was thinking more a timescale of a few months to 1-2 years at maximum, like what if the US big gun BB project hadn't encountered stalls, the Italian government hadn't declined to pursue big gun autism or if the Japs had enough guns to outfit the Satsuma as intended. If the Russians somehow had been the first to Dreadnought, could they have recovered some of their lost prestige from the Russo-Japanese war?
>>7898 Too little, too late. Changes nothing. In 1941 the Jappos started a war with a nation that had five times their population and twenty times their industrial base. Nothing short of aliens or time travelers landing in a flying saucer and handing them nuclear weapons and delivery systems for them keeps them from getting roflstomped in less than four years.


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