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Anonymous 10/09/2020 (Fri) 11:52:27 Id: a054b5 No. 3853 [Reply]
Where are the libertarians and old Mises forum folks hanging out nowadays? Please don't fucking tell me they're on Facebook.
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>>3901 I tried to use Mastodon but Liberdon community is pretty much low activity last time I've checked it
Americans say that the US is the land of the free, but North Koreans also believe that North Korea is a free country.

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Bloody-Silver Anonymous 11/14/2021 (Sun) 08:03:07 Id: fb74ce No. 4851 [Reply]
The V-for-Voluntary-Vendetta symbol or 'Bloody-Silver' was created in 2021 in search for a new symbol that would capture the essence of the Liberty movement 'at war' with neo-communism (nucoms). The colours of the symbol are silver and scarlet. Historically, pure physical silver was the currency used to pay for a day's labour in the more meritocratic civilisations that valued quality of life for the mode of society. Silver was valued as a currency that limited tyranny and permitted free-exchange—and any currency that fulfils this function is as good as silver was—the free-market, including the free-market in currencies, is 'as a silver-bullet to the financial-vampires that drain vitality from society.' Scarlet represents the 'sacrifice in life, through war, that must always be made to water the Tree-of-Liberty.' The ultimate objective is that interaction between persons should be voluntary and not forced nor coerced. The shape at the top of the symbol represents a handshake, which is the most typical expression of a voluntary agreement.
>>4851 Cool m8
Part of the reason tyranny is bad is because everyone is afraid to be kind or accept help because they are afraid of tyranny. Why take a chance giving someone a ride if they might be an illegal immigrant from Canada? Why feed the homeless or give money to beggars if you'll just go to jail? Why donate to the poor if the government already steals your money via taxation to fund welfare? Why would anyone accept help if they were afraid the Good Samaritan would be arrested because of video surveillance and NSA wiretapping?

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Anonymous 11/21/2021 (Sun) 00:30:37 Id: e6f56e No. 4950 [Reply]
when two people exchange they both value what they are receiving more than what they are giving away, but is this the right way to value things? I mean, people could listen to libertarians and instead go listen to commies like Haran and Vaush, they are much more popular. So, is subjective value really a good fundamental? Should we not find a better way?
It's the only way to view value. At best you can go with a perspectivist approach of "Yeah there might be things that are more valuable than others, but no human has the knowledge how that value is to be calculated, so you can at best kind of tell but not really", because there is no objective basis on which to place the word "value" because "value" by definiton makes sense only subjectively. Granted, you can tell in critical situations what is more worth at the current moment, if you are starving obviously food is worth more to you, but if you are full then it's not really worth that much anymore. Our needs and likes change constantly and humans are so individualistic by nature **by which I mean, we are extremely sensitive to environmental factors, by which we individualize ourselves a lot*, that there is literally no way to create a common idea of value for everyone.
Americans say that collapse is just fine because other countries other collapsing.

Anonymous 11/30/2019 (Sat) 12:01:19 Id: 95a7c7 No. 983 [Reply]

Why aren't we voting for Sanders or Warren just to accelerate the collapse of the US dollar to make sure it happens under a socialist president?
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I hope this guy will become US president
>>5115 I'd like enough economic freedom so that there are businesses other than megacorps...
Libertarians must be obsessed about liberty now. Talk to people everywhere. Pass out flyers. Print out business cards. Make a website. Start a newspaper. Rent a billboard. Make songs and movies about freedom. You might be the last one defending freedom, but you must live with your conscience.

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Anonymous 12/23/2021 (Thu) 17:09:46 Id: 2e7536 No. 5063 [Reply]
It is wrong for libertarians to try and change society. People don't want liberty and don't understand it at all anyway. It is a violence to force people who want to be enslaved to stay enslaved. Instead libertarians should make a pact with other rulers, or become rulers themselves, so that they have their own space and the ability to pull out those who want to be pulled out from enslavement. This is a very vague low quality post, I know, but the problem of people who want to stay enslaved must be solved.
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>>5131 Stage 6 is literally the NAP. You can't get more libertarian than that.
>>5133 The thing is that NAP fits both stage 5 and stage 6.
Americans scream tyranny is wonderful because the US has always been a police state, but what if the USA used to have freedom and lost it? Even if the US never had freedom, does that mean liberty is bad? Did the USA have curfews, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, redlight cameras, license plate readers, and Jade Helm in 1980? Did Americans need a pilot license in 1920 to fly a plane? Did Americans have gun bans, business licenses, Social Security numbers, sales, income, or property taxes in 1890? Were drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, and prostitution illegal in 1880?

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Understanding Power and its dangers Anonymous 02/14/2021 (Sun) 01:21:31 Id: fdef8f No. 4331 [Reply]
If you haven't read and properly understood 1984 you should geniuently never speak about politics. Although basic and very popular, it feels as if people are starting to disregard Orwell's writing as overrated or perhaps missunderstand them. Despite being a socialist, Orwell is an incredibly important writer to libertarianism as a whole, and should be a warning against any kind of authoritarianism. There is one 1984 quote that I have not seen being thrown around too much, even though it is probably the most important part of the book and the most important revelation to political thought that you could ever have, especially as a libertarian. "Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power." Those words, give us the most obvious explanation for why things go the way they do, one that is not understood by many. Many people who get into politics often believe in the idea of gaining power for the sake of establishing a better society that would in return grant more freedom either to the entirety of populace, or just a group of them. THIS IS NOT HOW POWER WORKS I'm not saying that you cannot be a politician who geniuently wants to improve the quality of life of people, but giving the governing bodies more power will always inevitably lead to tyranny and opression by the simple fact that the structures of power are naturally built for the rulers to seek more power to keep themselves in power. Even if they have the absolute best of their citizens in mind, gaining power will always make them seek more power for the simple reason that gaining power allows them to keep ruling and push forwards their visions. And if they don't go that path, they will simply be replaced by someone who does not have the moral qualms of seeking more control over populace, simply because controlling people makes you more effective at governing and keeping in power than not controlling them. Any kind of power seeking for good means will be either corrupted, or derailed by sociopaths. This is why, you cannot expect to use a Fascist or any other authoritarian system to institute a Libertarian one simply because, authoritarian systems will ALWAYS seek more power for themselves to simply keep existing. In a theoretical situation where you become a ruler of a country, if your goal is even to prepare society for a Libertarian system by the means of an authoritarian one, that will too force you to seek more power for an authoritarian system so that you can accomplish your goals. At the end of the road, either you will abandon libertarianism, or someone who has will replace you to use the newfound power more effectively. This is why the core of Right Wing Libertarianism to begin with is the deconstruction of power. Free market is a system that decentralises power structures into smaller power structures, rivarly between naturally appearing power structures makes them not grow out of control and take over every facet of our lives. A political goal of a libertarian who wishes for the preservation of freedom should never be gaining power, it should be working towards the decentralisation of power, because that is what the idea of Liberty is about. We cannot get rid off of power structures, but we can decentralise and privatise them to such an extent, where they no longer have such a large grip on the individual. This is true both for dictatorships and democracies. Never fall for the government meme, never fall for the power meme. Power needs to be ALWAYS stripped away from the governments and any other ruling bodies, not increased. Even if it seems that a temporary increase of government powers might lead to bigger amounts of liberty later on, this is a fallacious line of thinking. Power and control always require more power and control over the lives of men to be worth anything for the rulers. I hope you understand how important decentralisation of structures of power is so that it doesn't extend a grip on our personal lives and liberty. No one wants to live in an authoritarian nightmare. Reject the idea of establishing centralised power structures, always decentralise them into private property. Do not fall for the Authoritarian meme.
ALL societies are inherently oppressive because they are unnatural Oppressive can simply be seen as "against our natural desires" forcing a wolf to eat grass is oppressive while forcing a sheep to eat grass is not at least in most situations Human beings are meant to function, have EVOLVED to function in small societies where all individuals know each other and preferably care for each other Looking at how societies developped one can see that laws were pretty much a desperate attempt to control the fact that "shit fuck shit fuck fuck shit they are killing each other rathern than working in the fields the whole village will starve" We have lived for millions of years like animals and for only a feeble 15.000 years as anything more organised and civilised. We are as unnaccustomed to this type of life as the very animals we have domesticated. Look at a dog, it knows how to follows rules sure but it opperates on the instincts it had as a wolf, it feels affection for the owner because the owner triggers to it the same fealings the pack leader triggered. Yet it cannot survive like a wolf either it will die in a forest. It is unsuited for both worlds. And so are we. Thats why chaos vs order is such a big meme in our culture. Because our nature is splintered between the two. As such every society is fundamentally opposed to nature but we are unnable to return to primitivism and it wouldn't be good either due to the inherent brutality of a primitive life. Its naive to think primitivism is a solution. in short there is no solution we are doomed. There are 2 options. 1. We evolve into more eusocial-type animals internalising putting society above the self to the point where we are naturaly predisposed to communism or fascism which means oppression will be appealing to us and we will quite literally find happinesin slavery, the same way an ant probably feels something resembling joy when blindly but effectively contributing to the colony. At such a point oppression itself wouldnt be oppressive for it would be our desire to be oppressed as nightmarish as it sounds or 2. We perpetually form societies that keep us "just satisfied enough" to not revolt. In an endless cycle of infinite imperfect societies. During monarchy they couldnt imagine capitalism. During capitalism we cannot imagine the next system. But the systems that are stable are the ones that are meh. A perfect one cannot exist, a horrid one can't be sustained for long. Monarchy was not as bad as fascism or communism. Thats why it stayed for a long time, it was MEH. The current system is meh too. What follows is an endless cycle of as of right now unnimaginable but imperfect societies with every attempt at a radical change ending in tragedy and violence until the sun blows up and kills us all
>>4332 >>4331 Rewriting language and history is a common Marxist strategy. Orthodox Marxist intellectuals redefined the term “bourgeoisie” to conceal the fact that they themselves were objectively part of the bourgeois class. Similarly, postwar Western Marxists redefined “proletarian” to mean “a person who is non-White or part of the LGBT,” and developed a range of Newspeak terminology: “Institutional Racism, Microaggression, White Fragility, Whiteness, etc.” Bolsheviks, such as Lenin and Trotsky, redefined ‘racism’ — the act of acknowledging that different human races exist and possess unique characteristics — as an act of “oppression.” All Leftist political discourse is an intricate web of self-referential gobbledygook, designed to bamboozle the masses, impress the intellectually insecure, and obfuscate their true intentions.
Good point. Real patriots wish that they could stay awake 24 hours a day spreading freedom.

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Debating Anonymous 03/02/2022 (Wed) 12:59:26 Id: 000000 No. 5147 [Reply]
I absolutely suck at defending or promoting libertarianism. Whenever it comes up in a debate, I'll either remain quiet, or end up losing yet more friends and family. One possibility is I absolutely suck at rhetoric, which is probably true, but before I get into that, I'd like to point out a major rhetorical issue I've been having. I think the issue is that libertarianism is just way too abstract to make the case for, and as evidence of this, I've played the other side and have been able to convince people of socialism incredibly easy. When I argue for socialism, all I have to do is bring up the other side's biggest emotional issue, and then describe a very concrete program that the government could do to solve it. You can always very concretely "see" the solution. When I argue on the libertarian's side, I either have to bring up "the seen and unseen," which is either too abstract and the other side isn't going to care about the unseen because they have such a huge emotional investment in the seen; or I try to bring up how not having government in the way would make things better, which still involves a very theoretical and hopeful argument about actors coming in after removing certain barriers to entry/etc.. Or I have to argue about the issue of conceit and hubris in government planning and how their proposed government solution likely wouldn't work (in practice, this approach has been one of the work arguments that--although it never worked either--at least garnered me some respect at the end of the discussion, mainly because people think I'm discussing ways to _improve_ the suggested governance of the program as opposed to outright arguing against it). I have three possible conclusions here: 1 - There's a reason the socialist debating points win so easily: which is that they're actually correct, and I'm fooling myself. 2 - Libertarianism has a serious philosophical issue with being too abstract. 3 - I really, really fucking suck at debating. I'm thinking it's the third, but I have to say I'm getting more and more sympathetic to 1 as I've been able to win debates (EASILY) by lying that I'm a socialist. Thoughts? Am I right? If so, help appreciated. If not, let's hear it.
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I feel like this is how the personality types for each belief are.
>>5147 You argue too much about things becoming better without government, while the bigger issues is things becoming WORSE with government. Arguing with socialists cannot be done on the basis of "Lack of government" solves this issue because they see the issue as something top-down that needs to be fixed, while a libertarian sees the issue usually as something that will fix itself slowly over time. Example: Poverty is seen by a socialist as something that needs direct intervetion. A libertarian knows that you cannot outright "solve" poverty, you can lessen the impact of poverty and the simple fact is that government involvement actually digs bigger of a hole and makes everyone more poor rather than helping the ones at the bottom. There will always be poor people, but there will be less poor people in a Libertarian society than in a socialist one, simply because there is no government to fuck things up even more. You can point to how ineffective the programs of helping the poor actually are and how they are basically wasting money and actually harming the poor more than helping them, while private charity actually has done more for the poor while being cucked by the government
>>5148 >That's actually the girl's room on the right, not the chad's room.

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Abandoned Anonymous 02/11/2022 (Fri) 05:30:05 Id: bf7aa9 No. 5121 [Reply]
Is this board really abandoned? If it is what are some alternatives?
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>>5139 Good luck in your endeavors.
>>5140 Thanks for the two headed snek, fren. Before I can be a snekky leader, I'm educating myself on everything ancap and making sure I have a successful business first so that I don't look like a hypocrite.
>>5141 You don't need a business, ancap has been stereotyped as much because communists think its an insult, and it works to keep people unaware of liberty since they think they can make money while also having ultimate control over a group. Money is a good measure of things and makes for a good frame work to illustrate points, but ancap isn't fundamentally about making money. Its about the nap and autonomy.

Tyranny is not when a killer murders you. Tyranny is when the Gestapo murder you. Tyranny is not when a store kicks you out. Tyranny is when the government says that you cannot go to the store. Tyranny is not when Google records your web searches. Tyranny is when the NSA wiretaps you phone. Tyranny is not when you get paid $1 per hour. Tyranny is when the government says that you must be paid $1 an hour. Tyranny is not when cars are expensive. Tyranny is when government regulations make cars expensive.
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>>5025 Correct.
The elites want to make everything illegal so they can fill their private prisons and kill off the 99%, but life would be much better if everything was legal and people could travel, make money, go to church, go to school, and start businesses.

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Anonymous 12/14/2021 (Tue) 01:13:32 Id: a3d014 No. 5049 [Reply]
are traditionalists worse than socialists?
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>>5051 now that I think about it, while reading traditionalista and socialist I've noticed they write in a similar way. They tend to hide what they want to say behind a lot of words, with unnecessary complexity. Then they can accuse you of being a brainlet because you cannot understand them.
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>>5057 That's because they are both stuck at the fourth level of moral development like a large majority of people.
Which legal system was worse: Imperial Rome or Soviet Russia? I've spent some time reading Evola this past year, and I can say that he's certainly more intelligent than the wignats who mindlessly put him on their reading lists. I think there is certainly room for a Traditionalist-libertarian synthesis, because Tradition(TM) is concerned primarily with the existential questions in politics, whereas libertarians are more concerned with the material-economic questions (although even from these disparate perspectives, Hoppe and Evola both approve of monarchy and aristocracy). The overlap, and thus the area where there would need to be some hashing out between the two, is ethical theory. Let me give one sketch towards agreement on that matter. Ancap, that is, institutionalized non-aggression, is certainly compatible with Aryan ethical systems: Buddhism, Jainism, Stoicism, etc. In fact, the Jain maxim is "ahṃsa parmo dharma, dharm hṃsa tathaiv cha": nonviolence is the greatest duty, so too is all righteous violence [e.g. self-defense]. This is nearly synonymous with the non-aggression principle, anticipating de Boetie by at least a millennium. The difference is in attitude. We know that the main schools of ancap are utilitarian (non-aggressive societies would prosper materially), deontological (non-aggressive societies would be morally righteous), and dialectical (you cannot consistently argue against non-aggression). Here is Evola's commentary on Buddhist ahimsa: >The fact is that this precept of not killing must be understood as having a particular interior and ascetic aim; and therefore, like all the others, it has only a conditioned value. Already on the plane of sīla [ethics] a certain impersonalization and universalization of the "I" is to be aimed at. When one has to do with other people one must try to anticipate the state of consciousness in which another person is felt as being oneself, not in the Christian, humanitarian, or democratic sense, however, but with reference to a superindividual consciousness. Seen from this height it becomes evident that "I" is one of the many forms that, in certain conditions, may variously clothe the extrasaṃsāric principle; a principle that may a ppear in the person of this or that being and there become manifest. We are dealing, then, with something very different from the respect of one "creature" for another "creature." The other "creature" is considered, instead, from a higher point of view, from the point of view of a "totality." This being so, it would obviously be abnormal to act or react against a part unless one felt oneself to be only a part. <Doctrine of Awakening, p. 123 Here then is the synthesis: a non-aggressive society would be at least that Traditional(TM) insofar as non-aggression orients its citizens away from materialistic behavior, even if not necessarily towards the divine. Likewise, a Traditional(TM) society would be well-suited by a non-aggressive ethical code, since contemplation of the divine (or whatever you wish to call it) is severely impaired by violent behavior and inclinations to craving. While I'm quoting DoA, here is another passage of interest to ancaps: >As for "nobility," it is bound up here with aspiration toward superhumanly inspired liberty. ... "I serve no man, I have no need to serve any man" [Suttanipāta 1.2.8]; an idea that recalls the "autonomous and immaterial race," the race "without a king" (άβασίλευτος)—being itself kingly—a race that is also mentioned in the West. <pp. 16-17 It seems to me that άβασίλευτος is synonymous with ἄναρχος, hence the interest to ancaps.

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Anonymous 01/23/2020 (Thu) 21:45:21 Id: 9375fd No. 1609 [Reply]

Abolishing Central Banking should be the primary policy proposal of the Libertarian party in 2020.

What do you guys think?
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>>5011 Ban this pajeet
>>5031 BTC cuck
Every country is a police state now, but only countries that disobey the globalists are called dictatorships.

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Anonymous 11/26/2019 (Tue) 07:58:13 Id: 5a63c8 No. 906 [Reply] [Last]

Let me put the pieces together for you. This is a discussion of strategy.
National socialism is not the totalitarian lie that you've been fed, even good historians from the libertarian camp repeat the establishment talking points.

National socialism is:
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>>919 As always, nigsocs use the same fucking bullshit to justify their stupid fucking ideology. Yes there are jewish people in power that have nationalistic/power-hungry tendency. This does not justify the retarded fucking image you niggers paint of jews which is basically just the Marxist "burgeoise" with a racial paint. Everything the nazis said about jews can be turned back at the nazi regime. Germany is the most narcissistic, superiority-inferiority complex nation that exists in the world. Nazi Germany spent its entire time stealing from other countries to hold up their retarded """revolutionary""" ideals and then had the audacity to take some random fucking desert ethnicity and say "No actually, they are the natural racial thieves". Everytime I hear a fucking Nazi talk about the fucking jews and what he thinks are their traits I just see a diet-commie hypocrite that will steal your shit and then tell you that it's in a synagouge. Your stupid fucking ideology has starved Greece, commited active fucking genocide against slave, fucked up the economy of several other countries and caused untold death and destruction on a mass scale, that's not even getting into the Holocaust which you would probably just deny as if that was the only shit that you did. Get out of my board you disgusting, braindead, socialist nigger. I hope your ideology will forever stay a fucking joke and you will kill yourself for fucking up politics and the world even further than it was. Commies and Nazis both get the fucking rope.
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>>1940 This picture is bullshit. The word privatisation was literally used to make libertarians look bad. Nazi Germany was reselling its fucking businesses to the Nazi party. The fucking article which calls Nazi practices "privatisation" even said so much. Nazis were socialist, and the economy was incredibly fucking controlled. This is also why they lost the war, it was because their logistics were so absolutely fucking garbage. The myth of Nazi Germany being some fucking libertarian country with racialist policies is wrong. Nazis were no different than commis. National fucking socialism is socialism and is the reason for one of the bloodiest conflicts in human history as well the very reason they lost that war. WW2 was just the Third Reich being completely autistic, refusing to trade with anyone, making aggressive territorial claims and expanding in an aggressive manner to which the response of allied forces was "W-well, j-just don't take a-anymore p-please" like a bunch of complete cucks, and National Socialists still think of themselves as some kind of romantic fucking heroes when they are only complete fucking failures. Free market improved the state of the fucking world by allowing people to do what they want and raising thousands out of poverty, National Socialism couldn't keep its shitty """paradise""" going for more than 20 years, and that's after they've started stealing wealth from everyone else. The only thing that the allies did wrong during WW2 is that they didn't slap krauts back where they belong sooner.
Americans have become completely insane. You know that you live in the Twilight Zone when Americans will look you in the eye and say that the farm bailout should be higher than the auto bailout because food is more important than cars, but why not just end the trade wars and regulations that have destroyed the economy?

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Anonymous 05/01/2020 (Fri) 00:39:31 Id: 8f01ca No. 2904 [Reply]
>Taxes are just like rent
Counter-arguments for this please? I'm in a debate on another website and they brought this point up.
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Why have affirmative action if the free market will drive out bad businesses?
>>2904 >Rape is just like sex
Is Rand Paul the only American who still cares about freedom?

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Anonymous 10/13/2019 (Sun) 11:39:16 Id: 09b439 No. 211 [Reply]

what do I do with the thousands of hours I wasted on politics and economics? Is there a way to monetize these hours even if I don't hold a degree?
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yes, on the stock and the monetary market.
Blackrock is your friend if you are a follower.

Create a fucking youtube channel and debunk economic fallacies and breadtubers
Americans must think out of the box. Patriots will not be allowed work, own property, shop, go to school, drive, have bank accounts, travel, see a doctor, get welfare, or start a business, but new societies and the free market will rise up to serve Libertarians. Agents will be used to provide food, fake documents, and housing. An underground railroad will be started to smuggle rebels around. The government will try to clamp down by requiring ration cards for everyone. The globalists don't care if they treat customers bad and Americans boycott companies because the elites get bailouts and subsidies. Kicking customers off websites, closing bank accounts, and banning customers doesn't matter to the ruling powers because the end game is to kill off the 99%.

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Anonymous 01/24/2020 (Fri) 03:00:02 Id: 0e0d43 No. 1619 [Reply]

Were taxes REALLY much higher on the rich in the 1950s?
Can we get a definitive answer on this?

I mean if we plan on winning, we need to be countering these dumb talking points.

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>>1626
To answer your question though, I can't find data on the actual amount PAID in taxes by quintile (as opposed to the rate %s). The best I can get is the tax revenue as a % of GDP, which has stayed relatively constant.

This isn't what we're talking about, but if you really wanted to increase the government's tax revenue (I'm not speaking as a moral libertarian here, I'm speaking as an evil Machiovellian asshole), the only way I could see the U.S. doing that is to pass a VAT. VATs are scarily efficient at extracting wealth from society. However, I doubt it's very progressive.
>>1627
>I'm speaking as an evil Machiovellian asshole
>Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred; because he can endure very well being feared whilst he is not hated, which will always be as long as he abstains from the property of his citizens and subjects and from their women. But when it is necessary for him to proceed against the life of someone, he must do it on proper justification and for manifest cause, but above all things he must keep his hands off the property of others, because men more quickly forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony. Besides, pretexts for taking away the property are never wanting; for he who has once begun to live by robbery will always find pretexts for seizing what belongs to others; but reasons for taking life, on the contrary, are more difficult to find and sooner lapse. But when a prince is with his army, and has under control a multitude of soldiers, then it is quite necessary for him to disregard the reputation of cruelty, for without it he would never hold his army united or disposed to its duties.
It's always fascinated me how Machiavelli became viewed as Evil when his whole thing was about being a good ruler while not allowed your goodness to manifest as weakness, as a weak ruler would lead to greater misfortune for himself and his subjects than a cruel lord.
Making plans is difficult when you live in a police state. Everything is illegal. You are not allowed to go outside. You don't know if you can buy a house because you don't know if the government will close your business. You are not allowed to travel or escape. The state can indefinitely detain you without trial, grope you, kill you, torture you, or destroy or steal your property at any time. You are not allowed to have free speech, the government wiretaps you, you cannot go to church, and you cannot own a gun. Americans are now just slaves like North Koreans are.

California People's Republic Anonymous 06/14/2020 (Sun) 20:35:04 Id: 0439e1 No. 3105 [Reply]
Will they finally do it?
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One wonders if Snowden regrets throwing away his life to warn ungrateful Americans about unconstitutional NSA wire-tapping.
>>3105 I hope ANYONE does it. Set the precedent already.
The US government used to have no income tax and was funded mostly by tariffs. Now Americans scream tariffs should be increased while keeping the income tax. WTF?

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