I don't think voting for the presidential elections matter much. Agorism seems more promising in the current political climate. One thing I do wonder is voting on the local level. That has more of an impact on me and I do think it's ok to vote on the local level since you have more influence and also as a way to keep the government off your back to buy time to develop anarchism.

>>3212 >One thing I do wonder is voting on the local level. Yeah keep that up. Where I am at we have defeated numerous taxes they have tried to sneak in locally. Some of them were teeny tiny amounts yet the people aren't having it anymore.

If protesting must be outlawed to prevent broken windows, why not ban airplanes to prevent airplane crashes or ban knives to stop stabbings? If Americans don't defend free speech, religious freedom, gun rights, freedom from unconstitutional searches and seizures, the right to silence, and the freedom from torture and extrajudicial assassination, what part of the Bill of Rights do they support? What country is this?

Although I like Stirner I have no idea how free market stands against his ideas. What's so wrong with people voluntarily agreeing to work for one another in exchange for selfish goals?

>>3875 Stirnerites are such obnoxious dunning kruger pedantic midwits fuckin' hell gtfo

Well said. Tyranny didn't work out too well for the USSR, Nazi Germany, and Cambodia so why are Americans embracing it?

Good links >National Vanguard Surprised to see that's still a thing.

>>3224 https://youtu.be/zdihE1GFxFI

>>3224 https://youtu.be/_kYLYkNXjlE

You are alive today. This is something. You may be able today to go to a cafe and eat outdoors, but don't let your guard down. Tomorrow will be worse. Americans must be totally obsessed with freedom now. Every conversation, thought, and action must be spent looking for loopholes, resisting, and prepping. The elites want to kill you. How could care you about anything else?

>>3912 >but the UK is a monarchy and they're not doing any better The UK is a nominal monarchy. The Queen has so little power over her subjects at this point that they might as well not have her at all. I really doubt she's happy about the state of her... well, state, but there isn't much she can do about it without risking imprisonment and/or civil war, or at least intense unrest.

>>3919 The British monarchy hasn't had any power over its wealthy elite since the English Civil War. The Magna Carta showed how the aristocrats could collude to threaten a weak monarch into following their every demand.

Americans voluntarily choose to work at a job for a wage and then turn around and scream that they are helpless and exploited victims because there is only one company in the world and you can't quit, start a business, or learn a new skill.

>>4276 >I still think "regulatory capture" is far too complex an idea for the typical normie to stomach. Called this one too! https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=LVorHHw-ZOw "Rich people NEVER call for regulation!" Yup, thought so. Hook, line, and sinker. Yet another thing that's clearly not the market's fault has become the market's fault. EVERY FUCKING TIME.

>>4280 You have the OP using words like "normie redpill" and started off with a wojack,if you're just noticing cuckchan cancer now, you're slow as fuck

Living in a police state changes your views. Criminals who shot the Gestapo in the past were bad guys. Now American patriots who attack the Gestapo are heroes. Arresting someone for using drugs when the US was a free country used to be acceptable, but jailing someone for drugs today is tyranny. Since the US is not a democracy now, all laws and taxes are illegitimate. Everyone accused of any crime should be found not guilty.

>>4206 The CIA puts the minimum percentage of the population needed to stage a civil war at 3%. If you have more than 10% of the population's support, you're doing damn good.

>>4219 If you have more than ten million people's support.*

No one cares when the NSA unconstitutionally wiretaps them, but Americans lose their minds if Google records their web searches. Americans don't mind if the Gestapo shoots unarmed Americans in the back, but Americans become batshit insane if Paypal is racist. Americans shrug if CNN lies, but Americans completely flip out Fox News doctors a photo. Americans scream that they are all victims. Americans lose their heads if Communists use teens to push an issue, but why can't Nazis use kids to promote an idea? Americans become rabid nutjobs when statues are torn down, but why don't Americans raise money to erect statues? Americans became crazy with anger when Obama was nominated for a peace prize, but why don't Americans create a peace prize for Assange? Americans foam at the mouth if there is an award show for homosexuals, but why don't Americans start an award show for teen entrepreneurs? Americans don't care when the CIA tortures, but Americans explode if anyone protests tyranny.

>>4053 Sadly just like with Greenspan and other people like that, to join the Fed,they must first publicly renounce their support for the Gold standard, and embrace Fiat money as their one true God.

didnt she already backpedal and say she didnt like the gold standard?

Some Americans may have thought that tyranny would never come to the US because the rich, celebrities, media, politicians, and American people would resist. Who would have thought that the rich would loot the country by getting bailouts and subsidies while being the ones conspiring and building the police state by paying actors, singers, and atheletes to distract Americans with bread and circuses, using reporters to push propaganda, real crises, and false flags, and buying off and corrupting politicians with campaign donations and cushy job promises to start wars, import refugees that weaken and divide the US, drive up the debt, make laws that enslave Americans, and throw crumbs to pacify the 99% in the form of food stamps, Obamacare, Obamaphones, and public housing? The destruction of the USA is nearly complete.

>>3813 Yes but no, it's unclaimed territory between Croatia and Serbia but neither will let anyone visit it.

>>3621 It's Shaniquas in local government not Karens.

The government has ruined everything. Loud refugees live near you because the government has started wars. You can only have poor quality clothes because regulations have made US products too expensive. You can't move because the government has closed the borders and put everyone under house arrest.

Americans used to hate criminals and the homeless, but now every American is a criminal and soon every American will be homeless.

Politics are power plays and smoke and mirrors. If you want to bring change to the world you need to do it in a practical, slow and methodical manner. The best thing that could happen is the return of the 2000's status quo with active libertarian scene that methodically tries to improve the world in little steps. We aren't going to have ancap anytime soon, but we can at least gut the government somewhat, so that people's lives are better. Revolution would be only good if things got like REALLY bad, otherwise it's going to end up the same way as it always does.

One way Americans are dealing with the US collapse is by being in a state of denial. Americans say that the USA doesn't have inflation, shortages, suicides, alcoholism, drugs, homelessness, illegal immigrants, immorality, Obamacare, wars, debt, mandatory vaccines, church closures, martial law, lockdowns, business shutdowns, nationalized companies, cancelled elections, closed borders, arrests of reporters/lawyers/priests, mandatory fingerprint collection, DUI laws, checkpoints, seatbelt laws, car liability insurance laws, neighborhood watch groups, "get tough on crime" politicians, laws allowing mandatory minimums, IMBRA, 3 strikes laws, curfews, police militarization, teen boot camps, school metal detectors, private prisons, chain gangs, nanny state laws, the Patriot Act, NSA wiretapping, no knock raids, take down notices, no fly lists, terror watch lists, Constitution free zones, stop and frisk, kill switches, National Security Letters, DNA databases, kill lists, FBAR, FATCA, Operation Chokepoint, TSA groping, civil forfeiture, CIA torture, NDAA indefinite detention, secret FISA courts, FEMA camps, laws requiring passports for domestic travel, IRS laws denying passports for tax debts, gun and ammo stockpiles, laws outlawing protesting, Jade Helm, sneak and peek warrants, policing for profit, no refusal blood checkpoints, license plate readers, redlight cameras, speed cameras, FBI facial and voice recognition, tattoo databases, gun bans, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, searches without warrants, CISPA, SOPA, private prison quotas, supermax prisons, FOSTA, sex offender registration laws, and sex offender restriction laws. Americans scream everything is fine, but their eyes twitch and their hands shake. Disgusting.

>>4395 >the only government can effectively ban ANY decentralized cryptocurrency would be to just ban the whole internet They may not be able to ban it wholesale, but they can sure as hell kneecap it by scaring people away from it: https://archive.is/KJwGk

I'm all for agorism, but is secession still possible? Texas has always been the number one candidate, but they are increasingly being fed up with Biden's policies, and I bet this Great Reset could be the final nail in the coffin for them along with other states. >>4395 >the only government can effectively ban ANY decentralized cryptocurrency would be to just ban the whole internet They could just force ISPs to block cryptocurrency protocols along with protocols for VPNs and anonymizers like Tor and I2P. Maybe the agorists and crypto-anarchists could start creating their own underground ISPs or meshnets, but I'm not sure if enough have the capability to do so. I'm not saying you should avoid crypto entirely but it's good to diversify and have backups like precious medals or even just simple bartering. The latter of which is much easier to do with your normalfag neighbors than explaining and convincing them to use crypto and counter-economics.

Tyranny is not when a killer murders you. Tyranny is when the Gestapo murders you. Tyranny is not when a store kicks you out. Tyranny is when the government says that you cannot go to the store. Tyranny is not when Google records your web searches. Tyranny is when the NSA wiretaps you phone. Tyranny is not when you get paid $1 per hour. Tyranny is when the government says that you must be paid $1 an hour. Tyranny is not when cars are expensive. Tyranny is when government regulations make cars expensive.

>>4487 Excellent summary. I've personally taken to calling myself a voluntaryist, both because it sidesteps having to muddle through the three distinct definitions of anarchy, and because it reinforces the idea of not giving a fuck so long as nobody's messing with me or anyone/thing I care about. However, panarchy, if it managed to work, would be the ideal. Honestly, though, I expect that a voluntary society would take an even more meta-ideological form than that: panarchy implies that multiple competing legal providers coexist in the same space, sort of like the Icelandic Commonwealth; however, undoubtedly, some voluntary communities would reject such a notion, either out of ideological purity (ancoms, probably mutualists, too) or out of the concern that such a plurality would constitute a liability in some way. Thus, even the panarchist model would be mutable, based on which territory one found oneself in at the moment.

>>4487 The only problems is that when ancoms fail with their commune, there will be definitely someone who will want to use them and seize their property which would lead to the creation of slave labor of some kind, which would lead to the creation of the state. The problem is that not everyone will be adhering to libertarian principles even in a libertarian society which would mean eventual expansion to ancom lands after Africa 2.0 happens.

The world is an Orwellian nightmare now. The US is not a democracy. The government and illegal immigrants don't obey the law. You are on camera constantly, the Gestapo is everywhere, you must give your fingerprints to drive, you are being tracked by license plate readers, you'll be groped if you travel or go to a ball game, you must wear a microchip if you go to Disneyland, you cannot use the Internet if you don't have a phone and you can't get a phone without a facial scan, everything is illegal, the government is wiretapping you, you don't have free speech, you don't have religious rights, guns are banned, the government can steal your property, the government can extrajudicially assassinate you and torture you, cash is illegal, and you cannot escape because the border is closed.

>>4350 BSV is based. RLC is based. PIVX is based. Anything ETH based with crash unless it can migrate. ETH can't scale. BSV can: https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-creating-tokens-but-not-tokenmania/

>>4352 ok thanks for the recommendations I always heard that BSV will flip BtC because it actually follows BTC’s original white paper

The collapse and insanity of the USA is really disgusting to see. Americans will make up any excuse to justify their slavery. Americans say coffins must be mandated or there will be cannibalism. Americans scream there must be zoning laws to prevent cheap housing. Americans insist trade deficits are good to stop China from buying US land. Americans will look you in the eye and say that the National Guard is the militia. Americans say that the Soviet Union still exists. Americans say debt made Zimbabwe rich. Americans think that the US debt doesn't need to be paid back.

>>4506 The Borg is a good example of what the S0S seeks.

>>4503 There are no natural slavers anon, I don't know of a group of people that hasn't engaged in slavery in history. That being said jewish thought still influenced libertarianism a lot, so to completely dismiss them is unfair in my opinion. Don't get me wrong there is a SHIT TON of things that Jews need to be criticised for. But their contributions aren't black and white.

The US is a police state now. Americans should be out in the streets with pitchforks and torches, but instead they would rather shut up, cover their ears, and put their heads in the sand. Weird.

>>4354 Most corporate cities would be a nightmare for libertarians. The point is that you can have hundreds of them and maybe one of them suits you, or maybe private citizens can form their own. Of course, it's only a matter of time before the busybodies show up and demand more regulations. HoAs have shown that tyranny can absolutely come from the bottom up.

>>4354 >>4359 Reminder too that Orania started out as a corporate labor camp basically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVEcvdclrqo

Does anyone get the feeling that if the elites decreed that everyone must have their thumbs amputated, Americans would agree that the law makes sense and must be obeyed?