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Anonymous 11/12/2020 (Thu) 19:17:46 Id: ae3820 No. 4050 [Reply]
as you know the government always adds many taxes and laws. Very bad. People want the State. Also very bad. A thing that could improve any society is a constitutional law that makes it so that any law or tax one proposes is immediately applied to that person. So, if you are a lobbist, you will find yourself subject to the regulation you propose even if it doesn't pass. Just the fact you said in an interview "we need a regulation" will be enough to subject you to that regulation. If it's a company, it's not just the company that will be subjected to the regulation, it will be all the people who guided the company towards proposing a regulation. If you are a think tank that invents regulation, all the people who worked and approved the final proposal made public in any way, shape or form will be subjected to that regulation. It's only fair that the government would help someone who wants some rules applied in at least seeing those rules applied to him. Very fair and helpful like only the government can be, right? If you propose a tax, it can become complicated because you may only propose taxes for third parties. In that case of course you only pay the tax if you actually enter the category you proposed the tax for. If you were generic, like the rich, a special commission will help you define what do you mean by rich. Then you will only pay if you enter the category. Of course keeping track of who is proposing laws and taxes is not free, as they aren't correlated services, so one always pay a fair tax to finance the State so that it can fullfill their dream of seeing what they propose at least applied to them. This is only about fairness. Very fair and just. Let's make this a reality friends.
It's usually megacorps that push for regulations to choke out their current and future competitors, the Zuckerbergs and Bezos of the world are more than happy to lose out in the short term from the regulations they push for, since they can just make it back in the long run. You can't fix the state with the state
>>4051 They should apply the tax to the proposer multiple times over and redistribute the gain to their competitors due to disparities in economies of scale. Of course, to do this requires the men of representative government to have any spine at all, and not a quick payout to maintain loophole legalism.
One thing worse than living in a police state is finding out that no one cares.

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monarcholibertarianism thred Anonymous 04/25/2020 (Sat) 04:39:13 Id: 79bfcb No. 2787 [Reply]

i dunno discuss monarchies within libertarian societies i guess
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>>3298 It makes for an interesting what-if scenario. Imagine if 13 colonies just told Parliament to shove it, and continued on their own with allegiance only to the crown. Of course the idea of states-rights, which at least gave the impression of being a psuedo-marketplace for liberty in terms of residence, wouldn't really have come into being. Not that it did in the fullest sense anyway, what with the Civil War ending any idea of it.
>>3299 If George III was not ill throughout his reign he may have considered giving the American colonies representation in Parliament as a voting block that would have overridden his opponents.
The boxcars won't even be needed because Americans are so enslaved now that Americans will drive themselves to the concentration camps.

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Ruby Ridge 2.0 Anonymous 11/24/2019 (Sun) 18:01:48 No. 884 [Reply]

Anyone following the story of the NY 28 yo vet getting an entire police department sicked on him because he had a magazine with a 30-round capacity?
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>>1566
I just hope that this time it isn't some fucking idiot bozo deciding to shoot up a WhoCares mosque or Wal-mart. Make it count.
>>1566
lol, the 2nd Amendment barely means shit. For all the boomers we have with Molon Labe stickers and Punisher skulls plastered over their F-150s, at the end of the day none of them will do shit if it means they can't watch the Superbowl or cash their social security checks. 2A or no 2A, no one's going to revolt so long as they still have their cummies and crumbies. As a rule, people will only commit themselves to violence when it's the only alternative to death. Keeping this in mind, and keeping in mind that the bread and circuses are still flowing strong, there are only a few groups of people that are willing to further their ends through violence.
--Antifags, because the cost of their violent actions has been subsidized by the state by police turning a blind eye to them
--Feds, as above but it's legal fact instead of an open secret
--High time-preference siegeposting niggers like Brenton Tarrant.
You'll notice that all of these groups have something in common. None of them are your friends, and none of them stand any particular chance of preventing the state from plundering you. In fact two of those groups will use the actions of the third as justification to plunder you even more. Unless you would like to reward the left with the object of their lawfare against you, chimping out in some kind of people's revolution is not in your own interest and will not further your goals.
Maybe the real reason the economy has collapsed is because the government has placed everyone under house arrest.

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Anonymous 12/19/2019 (Thu) 21:31:01 Id: 77a6f3 No. 1204 [Reply]

Reminder that the majority of Soviet industry was created by western capitalists.
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yes but commies are retarded so they needed burgerland to fix it when shit broke
>>1204
>western
>capitalists
I think you mean government sponsored jewish bankers and (((crony capitalists))) on handouts.
Real patriots wish that they could stay awake 24 hours a day spreading freedom.

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Enoch Powell Anonymous 01/04/2021 (Mon) 23:54:31 Id: 384157 No. 4193 [Reply]
A political figure who I think warrants more discussion on this board is Enoch Powell. Powell is relatively unheard of outside the British Isles, but he carved his name in the stone of history as one the first politicians to promote right-libertarian ideas. Powell's ideology combined British nationalism with a kind of libertarianism that was tailored to the particularities of the UK (e.g. defending the NHS). Powell was the first politician in Britain to advocate for mass privatisation, and he promoted the idea of monetarism as a means to fight the rampant inflation of the time. He supported all of this in the 1960s, back when Margaret Thatcher was almost unknown. During the late 60s and early 70s, Powell also highlighted the threat of non-white immigration, and being Eurosceptic, strongly opposed the UK's entry into the EU. For these reasons, I think Enoch Powell was an incredibly farsighted individual and a underrated Libertarian figure. There is a documentary on YouTube about him called 'Odd Man Out' if you want to know more about the guy, heres a link to it: https://youtu.be/ZITwANJuoLc
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dont know much about powell. ive always found mosley interesting though. you know what powell and mosley's relationship was?
>>4194 Powell was an ardhent believer in deflationary monetary policies, and advocated for the privatisation of British Telecom. And remember he preached this in the 1960s, when the UK government had nationalised the steel industry. He was just as farsighted in economic policy as he was with his anti-immigrant, Eurosceptic attitudes.
Some Americans may have thought that tyranny would never come to the US because the rich, celebrities, media, politicians, and American people would resist. Who would have thought that the rich would loot the country by getting bailouts and subsidies while being the ones conspiring and building the police state by paying actors, singers, and athletes to distract Americans with bread and circuses, using reporters to push propaganda, real crises, and false flags, and buying off and corrupting politicians with campaign donations and cushy job promises to start wars, import refugees that weaken and divide the US, drive up the debt, make laws that enslave Americans, and throw crumbs to pacify the 99% in the form of food stamps, Obamacare, Obamaphones, and public housing? The destruction of the USA is nearly complete.

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U.S. Copyright, IP, Patents Laws and Public Domain Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 11:27:06 Id: b33574 No. 3450 [Reply]
Basically, what are the arguments for and against them? I'm rather ignorant on this subject, and I'm curious about what different arguments there are (with citations/evidence, because otherwise it didn't happen, so to speak). It seems to me that the issue isn't copyright law in itself*, but that it has been abused. I've also heard that anti-copyright legislation has actually helped corporations keep their IPs or something to that effect, but how can this be? *At least in the current system and the philosophical theories behind it, but that's another discussion. This is just about the current facts and what can be done or shouldn't be done about them.
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One of the implicit assumptions in this discussion is that if someone copies an artist's art, it's basically impossible to prove who was the originator. NFT might change that. https://ethereum.org/en/nft/ https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-721
>>4377 Honestly, I don't care if I don't get credit for my work. Just look at all the inventions out there that are wrongly credited.
Everything is illegal, everyone is a criminal, everyone is under surveillance 24/7, and no one cares. Living in a police state means that you must live in dread of being arrested. You can't help feeling hopeless.

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How do we deal with big tech in ancapistan? Anonymous 08/31/2021 (Tue) 14:33:52 Id: 703503 No. 4562 [Reply]
This is a very serious problem that I don't know if libertarians have an answer to (I'm not a statist btw, I'm an ancap too, but this is one problem that I just don't have an easy answer to). The problem is this: big tech companies are a new breed of corporations that we've never seen before. Many libertarian books were written when these companies didn't exist (or weren't anywhere near as big and powerful as they are now), so they didn't provide a solution to their existence. I know that society would work better if all aspects of it were handled by the private sector in a free market full of competition, but that's the problem with big tech, there IS no competition, and there never will be! It is LITERALLY impossible for anyone to start a new big tech company from the ground up. Even in ancapistan, I highly doubt anyone could step up to compete against the giants, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc. These companies get away with doing things that we criticize the government for doing, such as censorship and controlling information, and I'm not going to defend them just because "at least it's not the government". The only times when big tech were wacked in the head for attempting to do something heinous is, unfortunately, when the government steps in. Yes, I know big tech works hand in hand with governments, but there have been a few times when even the government has had to step its foot down and not allow these companies to do something, and that's just unfortunate, that the only leverage we (the common people) have against these giants is... the government. I'm sure that there's a solution to this that works within libertarianism, but I just can't see it. What do you think?
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Americans say that tax cuts are the only reason there is a trade deficit, but maybe regulations make US exports expensive.
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>How do we deal with big tech in ancapistan? evil corporations at least need to pay for security in ancapistan instead of your tax dollars paying for their protection
The very same Americans who scream that they hate the police state then turn around and support the police. WTF?

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Anonymous 10/20/2020 (Tue) 12:23:03 Id: a3cfc0 No. 3903 [Reply]
do you guys consider him an austrian? he seemed libertarian leaning but not quite austrian especially on his opposition to the gold standard. yes i know i misspelled the filename
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>>3962 Friedman was ok with the gold standard. However, for most Chicagoans, they are utilitarian. Basically most good for the most people and if the gold standard does it, they are ok with it. I do like public choice economics.
>>3903 Only things I would hold against him are back up withholding and monetarism. However abolishing the draft makes up for that.
Americans hate freedom with a passion.

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Man Arrested for Violating Mask Mandate in Nashville Anonymous 11/07/2021 (Sun) 23:42:19 Id: cd2d70 No. 4709 [Reply]
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>>4711 >Also no, there's no hyperinflation and never will be Then explain how gas prices just jumped to A WHOLE FUCKING DOLLAR PER LITRE where I live you little shit. >>4714 Not all of America though, it's mostly the liberal blue cities like New York. We are heading to a very dark age, but I still prefer the USA over any country in Europe. Rural America is significantly more free than any other place on Earth. Hopefully the pro-guns middle America, who's always talking about guns for self-defense against the government, actually gets up and does something before things get too out of hand. Secession would be the most desirable outcome.
>>4717 >you’re wrong im right, here’s my proof [zero citations] lmao, your boss should dock your pay for such an awful subversion job you’re doing here
One of the problems with tyranny is that it increases. Americans born today think torture, kill lists, groping, and wiretapping are perfectly acceptable. There was a time when you didn't need a driver license. Later driver licenses were required. Driver licenses then needed a photo. Later you needed a written exam. A driving test was then required. Later you needed a medical test. A car inspection was required. Later you needed liability insurance. Driver license fees increased and fingerprints were required. Soon DNA samples, microchip implants, and vaccines will be needed to get a license.

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Anonymous 04/12/2020 (Sun) 00:47:18 Id: 114e05 No. 2635 [Reply]

The only true way to liberty is through seizing the means of productions
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Freedom is the absence of government. Law and order in a free country means that you'll go to jail for theft or murder. Law and order in a police state means that everything is illegal and the government controls you. American soldiers died fighting Nazis and Commies. Now Americans have become Nazis and Commies. Nazis and Commies think that they only possible solution to any problem is force, but Libertarians think problems can be fixed by persuasion. Nazis and Commies think anyone who insults their dictator must be executed, but Libertarians ask what's wrong with free speech? Nazis and Commies lose their minds when someone wears saggy pants, but if there is no victim, there's no crime. Nazis scream solar panels must be illegal and Commies say solar panels must be mandatory. Nazis say going to church must be mandatory and Commies say churches must be closed.

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>>4702 This is mostly correct, you are missing one key component of freedom which is INDIVIDUALISM Collectivism is what brings tyranny. The words "Good of the many" is what tyrants are born from. Wrongdoings can be committed only against individuals, not against groups. You cannot wrong a country as a group, you can wrong them as a collection of individuals. It is the individual people that suffer, not some generalised group. Individualism is the basis of liberty and property is the basis of individualism. You cannot consider yourself as an individual if you do not own yourself. Communism, National Socialism, Fascism and any leftist philosophy is CANCEROUS because it is collectivist. It believes that people should work for any other goal than their own, it operates on fear and primitive instinct, while also trying to surpress it. It comes from lack of understanding as yourself and inability to see oneself as anything else than a part of a group. It comes from narcissism and psychological turmoil, from fear against reality and a refusal to say "yes" to life. It comes from a refusal to accept oneself as the one creator of meaning. In short, all collectivism comes from misery and a refusal to try and improve your own life, a hatred towards life and a romantic idea of trying to create a perfect world instead of accepting it as it is and working with it to improve it. It is childishness in its highest form.
Good point. Maybe the real reason the economy has collapsed is because the government has placed everyone under house arrest.

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Anonymous 10/08/2021 (Fri) 15:29:41 Id: 8a5cdd No. 4650 [Reply]
What do you guys think about Max Stirner? Although I disagree with him economically, I think he had some pretty good ideas and I like the fact that he attempted the deconstruction of Hegelian dialectic by turning it against itself and eventually grew distant from the Young Hegelians starting to shit on them.
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>>4652 Do you have a direct quote because that would probably prove useful in certain arguments. Stirner comes across as a disingenuous pedant to me (as most "left aligned" "intellectuals" do) but using his own words to give his fanboys butthurt seems like it would be useful.
>>4653 He wrote this in philosophical reactionaries. >«Do you philosophers actually have an inkling that you have been beaten with your own weapons? Nothing but an inkling. What retort can you hearty fellows make against it, when I again dialectically demolish what you have just dialectically put up? You have shown me with what “eloquence” one can make all into nothing and nothing into all, black into white and white into black. What do you have against it, when I turn your neat trick back on you? But with the dialectical trick of a philosophy of nature, neither you nor I will cancel the great facts of modern natural research, no more than Schelling and Hegel did». He basically shits on Hegelian dialectics which are the basis of leftist thought, by saying "By using your own fucking logic I have turned the dialectics against you, what will you do about it cunts?"
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Anonymous 01/04/2020 (Sat) 13:01:24 Id: 08b075 No. 1304 [Reply]

Shit like this is why Libertarians are not taken seriously and I feel ashamed to call myself a libertarian.


Also this shit.
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It's the difference between "big L" Libertarians and "small l" libertarians. The Libertarian Party™ is a bunch of Koch-owned LARPers who don't address any concerns people actually have. They still make themselves controversial by ditching nuance for topics meant for theorists. The Libertarian Party has always been controlled op since it was taken from Murray Rothbard.
What will supporters of the police state say when their beloved police come to arrest them for racist hate speech, confiscate their guns, and force them to board trains headed to the concentration camps?

End of the Internet? Anonymous 09/18/2021 (Sat) 19:50:57 Id: 000000 No. 4622 [Reply]
Klaus Schwab from WEF has already warned that a cyber pandemic would be mankind's next challenge, we also had the Cyber Polygon thing going on (for anyone living under a rock: it was a simiulation made on July 9, made by the same that made a simulation predicting a coronavirus pandemic in October 2019 (Event 201), which predicts a great cybernetic attack capable of disabling systems worldwide and take the internet as whole down) and now a little recap of some recent events: 1- Around November-December 2020 all Google services went down 2- Data breach caused by the SolarWinds software Orion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_federal_government_data_breach) 3- The Colonial Pipelines Ransomware attack (among many other ransomware attacks which are becoming more often, I personally see this a way to taint Bitcoin's image even more and push for more regulation or outright prohibition of it) 4-over 30,000 websites went down for a day in June 8 due to some DNS failure 5- Cloudflare announced it contained the largest DDoS ever 6- Yandex DDoS attack Among many other things, such as the weeks-long Texas blackout etc, I see all of this as a prelude for the so called "cyber pandemic" planned by the WEF, they already understood the problem with internet and want to silence and contain it, you think they will end the internet? (people speculate this is bound to happen Winter this year) and for the fags telling this would ruin their own system: they don't care, if you think they wouldn't do this because it would take their current sytem down, you've really been obvlious to all the Great Reset talk going on by the WEF, this is, in my vision, just a step for the so called Great Reset.
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>>4622 >you think they will end the internet? Worst case scenario, it's probably going to lead to digital ID being required to access the Internet. The same shit that the EU and Australia have been proposing for a while now. I'm pretty sure this will lead to the prohibition of cryptocurrencies, anonymity networks, P2P filesharing, etc and ISPs will be required to block these protocols by law. I think the global elite is noticing the rise of alt-tech and crypto-anarchism even if it's still in its infancy and is trying to find everything it can do to stop it. As for resisting this, start learning how to use P2P networks like ZeroNet, Feenet, IPFS, Namecoin, I2P, etc. But this is assuming that they don't start fucking up things at ISP level which they most likely will. In that case, learn about meshnets, sneakernets, pirate boxes, etc. Maybe you can get some like-minded people in your local area and start some piratebox or USB dead-drop for your local community. Maybe you can even start a local meshnet if you can get the right people. Start switching to FOSS if you haven't done so already. I'm pretty sure Microsoft is going to use their Windows backdoor if this fake cyber-pandemic really does happen. Use full disk encryption on all your partitions. And this may sound obvious, but avoid using any cloud storage or any other forms of software-as-a-service. Also, if you haven't already, start archiving everything you can onto local storage. Any books, images, videos, web page archives, software, etc that you may find useful should be archived.
>>4622 >I personally see this a way to taint Bitcoin's image even more In the past few years there have been an overwhelming number of stories of ransomware attacks hitting governments and large corporations as well as data breaches. These became way more prevalent after wannacry and the fake NSA story about how their top secret tools were "stolen" and tried to blame it on North Korea. Everyone in infosec knows that all the big APTs targeting large corporations are funded by governments, they say this but never try to hold them responsible for it even though they are supposed to be doing their job and trying to stop them. Companies like Kaspersky gather just enough information to scare everybody and blame it on chinks, presenting them as if they are unstoppable hax0rs who will break the internet. The end of the internet will be the world government's final false flag that they've been building up to in order to gain control.
Some are saying that ATM machines will be shut off, banks will be closed, gas stations will be shut, the Internet will go down, and the power and water will be turned off this month. There is severe inflation and lumber, food, ammo, and chip shortages right now.

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Anonymous 11/03/2021 (Wed) 09:13:23 Id: 607b31 No. 4680 [Reply]
so, to me libertarianism has become some sort of religion. Well, maybe not libertarianism per se, but it's clear that God has made the world so that acquisition of material wealth and real growth requires respecting other people property, and that acquiring material wealth makes it easier to know the laws of nature which in turn once known make production of goods better and then we get more wealthy. I can feel God in economics and in liberty.
Liberty is about the freedom to shit your diapers in peace.
Americans want to live in a police state because Americans are terrified that their neighbor might start a pig farm next to their house, but who owns your neighbor's home? Do you really think that freedom doesn't benefit you? Do you think that you are exempt from tyranny? Do you realize that freedom is a two-way street? If you want your neighbor to go to jail for having a flag-pole, don't be surprised when you are arrested for owning a driveway. Can't you solve problems without a law? Can't you talk to those who bother you? Couldn't you just move away? Do Americans realize that the US used to be a free country?

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Darknet Libertarianism Anonymous 01/10/2021 (Sun) 00:42:49 Id: 000000 No. 4207 [Reply]
So, I understand I'm a little late to the party, but all the Big Tech censorship has made me realize that I need to find a bunch of libertarian sites, forums, chans, blogs, and all the other various regular services that's hosted on Zeronet, I2P, Onions, Bitmessage, and Freenet. My plan is this. Sometime back I made a webring that modeled a VT321 console (remember those computers that first replaced the card catalogs?), and some webring directories. I want to make a similar webring only focused on libertarian websites, and to see if there's any way I can mirror current libertarian content on the clearnet before it gets banned by Big Tech. 1 - I can't realistically host this and remirror as much as I can across all the different darkweb platforms currently available. I need to focus on one--maybe two. I was thinking Zeronet given its censorship resistance, ease of use, and how they seem to have a way around getting banned by ICANN what with their own DNS system (namecoin) and not being as resource-hoggish as Freenet, and an Onion website since Tor is pretty much what everyone thinks of when think Deepweb. 2 - I can realistically only mirror a fraction by myself, and given my job, only update it maybe once every three months maybe. Even then, I'd have to choose a handful of libertarian websites. I know mises.org would be a good pick, and I'm guessing they wouldn't mind the remirroring. Is there any way anyone knows of to make this easier to remirror on the technical end? Are there any websites I probably shouldn't remirror because they'd get all Randian "muh copyright" on me? 3 - Any libertarian sites already on some deepweb network that you know of that I should include? This chan has an onion address, so it's going on the list. 4 - Any other tips or thoughts others might have? I'm still unsure if I want to do this, given how shit I am at committing to projects like these.
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Americans are so enslaved now that they scream the answer to tyranny is surrender.
I wish I was as smart as you anons, good luck in your adventures I guess. Also fuck the FCC.
If you don't need TSA groping or slow FDA drug approval during an emergency, why bother having rules at all?

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Should I pretend I'm a Democrat? Anonymous 01/23/2021 (Sat) 06:32:30 Id: 000000 No. 4267 [Reply]
With all the talk about rounding up Trump supporters, James Damore's career still ruined, etc.--should I pretend I'm a rabid Biden supporter? I mean, I'm not, but if I want to avoid the gulags, that's about what I have to do, right? Should I maybe even send some token amount to the Dem party so the Deep State might ignore me? Will pretending I'm a Trump-hater give me more career success? If so, how the hell do you keep up the lie?
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>>4267 >we're gonna round up them Drumpf supporters and all the neutral LoLbertarians who kinda supported some of his policies sometimes Listen OP these are the people threatening to bash the 'fash' and disarm law abiding citizens. If they unironically scare you then my advice is to eat a steak and salad for breakfast or lunch tomorrow then hit the gym or go for a light jog and then dig out those dumbbells you have burred in your garage somewhere and start taking physical fitness and dieting seriously. Just be sure to do your research on lifting correctly so you don't end up hurting yourself, correct form is always more important than injuring yourself because your ego said starting with lighter weights made you feel like a pussy. Plus it's also a bonus given leftist hate people with muscles in general because they're to apathetic, lazy, and helpless to gain gains themselves. Antifags aren't scary unless they're in a crowd of at least a hundred 'men' and have molotovs to throw at you. As far as FED's go just pay your full amount of taxes yeah I know they're raping your wallet for bullshit pork and barrel projects that don't work, don't even bother trying to get write offs and deductions else the IRS might unironically come and challenge it and find bullshit 'excuses' to Lois Lerner'd your ass. Also remind the few leftards who are capable of listening to an argument without sperging out and calling you a heretic that Lerner also threw a bunch of leftists in jail too because 'reasons' after she got done fucking the tea party up. >>4268 Give OP a break anon, he can't help but be a raging homosexual retard. Instead of being mean try to help the dude out.
Why would you pretend to be any kind of statecuck? The whole "conservative" vs "progressive" debates are just meaningless shit flinging about stupid concepts. I am tired of listening to people shit flinging about race or something like that. No one can really win those arguments, they are just dick measuring contests. The only way to win is to raise above them.
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>>4603 >they are just dick measuring contests >The only way to win is to raise above them Sounds like you've got a lot of experience there stud.

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