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Anonymous 08/17/2020 (Mon) 19:45:55 Id: 8c6da1 No. 3536 [Reply]
o, how to organize local bussinesman and communities to slowly become anti government and be prepared for all types of situations?I think it would need 3 major doings:1- convince people that big government sucks2- organize in a way that is at the same time safe for ordinary people, but also assceble for then.3- Make ordinary people continue using this network to expand it and be active in all situations the state trys to fuck with people I know all about decentralized technologies today to escape the state, but I wish to apply something useful to ordinary people in local with low to none knowledge and create a network for them.I do understand that much will depend on the local cultural, political and social context , so I am proposing a brainstorm, think as if the context is like a shithole country where the state is both authoritarian and inefficient, most of the power comes from the ilusion people have of government, but government likes maintaining power by doing big shows of power on individuals.
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>>3598 This is probably the reason it always gets bounced around, but never acted upon; even if you start thinking through crypto escrow contracts. There is a video of Hoppe though, where he says that if this ever comes to pass, anarchocapitalism would soon follow.
>>3599 >There is a video of Hoppe though, where he says that if this ever comes to pass, anarchocapitalism would soon follow. That's one hell of a prediction, and one hell of a reward for whoever achieves this first.
>>3599 Care to share the video?

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Anonymous 08/15/2020 (Sat) 13:56:28 Id: 453a65 No. 3528 [Reply]
why do ancoms call anarcho capitalism not "real" anarchism and tell everyone that their ideology is "real" anarchism
>>3528 So they can steal everything. Imagine ancap with no contracts.
Because communists get their strength by forcing other people to use their words in the ways that they want other people to use their words, and flipping their shit when this doesn't happen.
>>3528 Because they think that nations and privately owned land are fundamentally the same thing, and that employers and landlords are no different from state leaders even though the former two are voluntary.

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material wealth is overrated Anonymous 08/08/2020 (Sat) 08:36:00 Id: 30e967 No. 3515 [Reply]
we libertarians focus too much on material wealth. Take for example globalization. The markets opened up the material wealth has increased, that's a fact. The problem is that people want things to do to feel like part of a society. Material wealth is truly desired only when a basic need is not met, and honestly all our basic needs are basically fully met outside of healthcare, which is the only thing that can truly increase meaningfully with an increase in material wealth. Since we only think about healthcare when we fall ill, most people probably would prefer to be part of a society where we have a role than a wealthier society, as long as our basic needs are met. I vaguely remember a Tom Woods episode in which the guest defended globalization by saying that Obama saved a company that was producing tires, by putting tariffs on tires from Mexico. This way Obama saved like 400 jobs but the cost on the people was supposedly billions in increased tires price so it would have been cheaper even to just give hundreds of thousands to the 400 workers and fire them. Now, while this reasoning has many merits, I think it underestimate the value that people put in having a role in society. People want a role and people don't like change. People don't like to be fired and they probably prefer having less material wealth but a stable job with decent status than having to compete on rent with rich chinese immigrants or having to change job or even not having a job at all and living on welfare or even living as unemployed just on the fact that the price of goods is so low they throw basic goods at you or whatever else you can think of about the effects of globalization and more material wealth. I'm not advocating for a top-down solution, but I think we don't think enough about this, or at least I don't know what libertarians (especially the mises-kind) have to say about this. It's also another reason why I'm skeptical about UBI, even assuming it can work economically (which it can't).
>>3515 Yes, I agree. I think that wealth is important and there can never be enough of it, but that's just half of the story and not the half that people really care about, the other half is as you said, that people want to feel like part of a society, they want to stick with their preferred role, and to add to that - they want to know that their way of life will be protected. This is where economic libertarianism falls, and I guess that's why Hoppe talks about the covenant communities concept so much - as a way to "patch" this problem and destroy the myth of ancap supposedly throwing you into a cold competitive world where you're forced to fend for yourself. Another problem is that the term "anarcho-capitalism" itself is extremely off-putting, first it implies that you need to have 200IQ and learn everything there is about economics to be an ancap, the second implication is that we want anarchy for corporations and rich people. This isn't exactly the descriptor that would conjure utopian visions or something that speaks to our primitive unconscious side, at least not in a positive way. >I think we don't think enough about this It's already been thought about. What we're talking about is basically panarchy, ie: libertarianism without economics, ie: libertarianism for normal people. In my experience, discussing Austrian school economics and Rothbardian libertarianism mostly works for nerds like me, but panarchy is really easy for anyone open-minded enough to learn and who isn't a completely immoral psychopath that they can't agree on voluntarism and private property as good things to have in society. http://panarchy.org/indexes/panarchy.html
Could this not be achieved via contracts (e.g. tenure, covenant communities, insurance)?

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Motion Graphics + Cryptomemes = 1000% ROI Freeman 08/11/2020 (Tue) 15:53:34 Id: db1ff3 No. 3524 [Reply]
Q: What do you guys get when you mix cryptomemes with motion-graphics and undervalued cryptocurrencies? A: Noah Verner, a libertarian channel which promotes cryptocurrency projects through animations. https://youtu.be/wl5k91Sbtjs This video speaks for itself, so if you don't want to miss more investment opportunities in the near future: -Shoot the subscribe button. -Drop some likes or comments. -Donate BTC/ETH
Epic Cash , the coin that takes privacy / fungibility / scalability to a whole new level. Fuck Chainalysis. Lets see what they do when there is no TX history and no Addresses.
>>3525 Do you know any other or it is just those??

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Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 11:25:35 Id: d3f3cf No. 3268 [Reply]
In anglolands, I notice the slave- I mean normal people have blue eyes, while the rich have brow eyes. Why?
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If there is anything that I agree with communists on it is just in this particular's case, seizing this lady's means of reproduction. :^ )
>>3268 She's Jewish (banker, curly brown hair, brown eyes), the men are Gentiles (laborer, blonde hair, blue eyes). nothing's gonna happen guys.
>>3268 >Fuck the Jews lol -Wait, I didn't mean that to be taken literally

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Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 19:27:15 Id: 71b8cb No. 3249 [Reply]
Capitalism is just meritocracy. It replaced feudalism because standing meritocratic armies supported by meritocratic merchant companies were massive and technologically advanced. The old ruling class became irrelevant in the face of armed professionals. And them everything went to shit because 80% of people are subhuman and 1/4 of their children were also shit. Those shitkids did not die because we "advanced" society and we waste resources of those shitfucks. Those shitfucks have kids, the rate of biological failure increases with each generation. 1/4 > 2/4 > 3/4 > white race > americans > etc This is the Mouse Utopia we already discussed about. Abolishing feudalism and starting captalism is LITERALLY the same as giving rights to slaves. Something that jews do to destroy nations. uhmm...
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>>3255 It's supposed to be a pro-capitalist image from what I can tell. However if the owner did all that work to start their business they probably wouldn't hire some unskilled laborer off the street. I also doubt the majority of people he could hire would think like that when developed nations have a shortage of work and an unemployment problem, excepting them being a poor manager and bad at assigning responsibility (which the modern economy is full of due to government enabled corporate mismanagement). Businesses are a unit and operators have a duty to support their workforce just as much as their workforce has a duty to support them. This is most apparent in startups but is diluted as businesses grow and jealousies emerge over the distribution of profit throughout the organization. Rivalries eventually force executive leadership to put their foot down and become the villain, or risk losing everything they worked to earn. It's an eternal tragedy.
I like how the lads here understood the point of the text, which talks in a vague way of genetics and sociology, but did not understood the simple picture. Meanwhile is 9tw it was the other way around
>>3252 >that video >understand the german this is somehow so bleak and dark

Libertarian Constitutional Monarchy/Feudalism https://shamik.ooo/nya/ 08/02/2020 (Sun) 01:58:08 Id: 69c866 No. 3473 [Reply]
What does /monarchy/ think of the concept of a Libertarian Constitutional Monarchy? Think as an example the USA with its original libertarian constitution—butt replace the President with an Emperor/Empress, the State governors with Kings/Queens and typical feudalism down to the county level. Democracy could be added to this neo-feudalism by giving the subjects of a given lord the power to choose the next lord from among the current lord's children via voting nya~
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>>3477 See, the thing is, I don't see how ancap resists the centralisation of capital and plutocracy. Hence my proposal nya~ >free markets break monopolies instead of forming them How is a free market maintained when apex capital doesn't like them? The biggest corporations simply become the government. How does a free market break Amazon/Facebook/Google? Most of their revenue doesn't actually come from subsidies and government contracts... and when they have enough power, why permit competition nya~? The problem I see with libertarianism/ancap is that they fear political monopoly, but ignore how economic monopoly can form even from a fresh libertarian start—and they become political monopoly through buying out the the political system nya~
>>3477 Of course, I left out banks, who in actually control the world right now as the apex authority. How would libertarianism deal with powerful banks that concentrate capital and rule through contract? Ultimately there needs to be someone at the top who technically owns everything. This person is public and cannot be bought... at least through money. This person is the final arbiter of justice in a society and responsible for enforcing the NAP nya~
Of course, 'inverted feudalism' is perhaps an alternative to people who still believe that power ultimately resides with the people, rather than through WILL/MIGHT. Tiered Democracy—Immune to most corruption as people personally know their politician nya~ 10 citizens elect 1 tier 1 representative 10 tier 1 representatives elect 1 tier 2 representative 10 tier 2 representatives elect 1 tier 3 representative 10 tier 3 representatives elect 1 tier 4 representative 10 tier 4 representatives elect 1 tier 5 representative ect, until you reach the President. Such a system doesn't need to follow any ideology however, all that would need to be defined is how/when elections are held and voting is done nya~

/abdl/ welcomes you Anonymous 06/03/2020 (Wed) 15:07:20 No. 2967 [Reply]
Don’t think that we wouldn’t follow you here, anons, in fact we have came here early to scout out whether 8moe was a good location for your boards, and we can confirm it is. Have this fresh OC as a welcoming gift! t. /abdl/
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>>2976 You got discord or a contact of some way? :3 >>3001 Abdl is a based capitalist fetish. Plastic and advertising all come from capitalism.
>>2971 >tfw both /abdl/ and /fascist/ There is overlap among us all
>>2967 I wanna throw up

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Justin Amish decides not to hold onto his congressional seat Anonymous 07/19/2020 (Sun) 17:12:01 Id: f677e5 No. 3404 [Reply]
This is somewhat suspicious. I had read somewhere that the LP wasn't keen on having Justin on the Presidential ticket because he had switched from the Republican party, which was a factor in Justin dropping out. Now he has refused to defend his congressional seat. Something is fishy, and I think it has to do with the poison that is the Libertarian Party.
I heard some republicans were gunning for his seat. I think the guy senses he's no longer popular with his base and is going with the wind. Shame, I thought he was one of the few decent people in Congress.
>>3407 >I thought he was one of the few decent people in Congress. He was. The New American Freedom Index gave him a 94% rating at same level as Rand Paul 94%, but behind Thomas Massie who holds a whopping 99% the highest of any member of Congress. https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index
>>3404 Typical controlled opposition shit. We are already used to it in Russia: >politician from kosher party looks like he is winning >immediately renounces candidacy so that the required guy would win

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Jo Jorgensen endorses BLM Anonymous 07/10/2020 (Fri) 22:30:54 No. 3304 [Reply]
Defenders claim she's talking about "the movement, not the organization." Is there any hope for democratic libertarianism?
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>>3304 >the libertarian party is now openly pro-censorship of truth What a disgrace.
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>>3308 >There are more important things beyond that. Nuh uh.
>>3378 Here is a good review of the Constitution Party platform. https://youtu.be/VjaoLHnTKKk I think many right-libertarians would find this acceptable, most likely more acceptable than the direction that the LP is heading.

Anonymous 07/15/2020 (Wed) 22:25:20 Id: a698b1 No. 3369 [Reply]
Booooooo! Get new Material!
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I mean, that's literally their job description, isn't it
>>3388 He has trimmed it down by 15 minutes though.
>>3369 he will change the speech when humanity will finally get it. Jokes aside, it's the MisesU, I think they have some core lectures they do every year and then some random talks. The Tom Woods talk about life this year was hilarious and very sweet, go check it out

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Secession Anonymous 07/13/2020 (Mon) 22:09:14 Id: 73b486 No. 3346 [Reply]
I feel like secession could be used a lot more effectively by libertarians. One thing that I find very interesting is how Prince Hans Adam III used secession as a bargaining chip. “Empower the monarchy, in exchange, I will give you rights to secede.” I feel like this strategy should be copied everywhere, and there’s one in particular I’m thinking of. There are a lot of U.S. states that have insanely high debt loads. What if we encouraged the following political strategy: >State A has a high debt load. >Encourage state A to REALLY ramp up its deficit (or just leave them to their doom—like California and Illlinois). Bla bla, something Keynesian multiplier, blabla, MMT yadda yadda >Within short order, A can not make payments. >A tries to restructure payments, it goes to the courts, of course the court says, “Uh, the state constitution requires payment,” the state has to increase tax rates in a panic. >People leave A, tax revenues decrease precipitously despite the tax hikes. A vicious spiral downward begins. >A argues it’s stuck. Under court order it can’t even walk away from the debt. >Before they start saying “The federal government has to assume our debts to save us!” A petition for a different plan is submitted… >“There’s a way around your court order. Get rid of, and then immediately redeclare A’s statehood. Because “New A” is not the same as “Old A,” then “New A” doesn’t have to assume the debts.” Of course, one DOES NOT mention the obvious thing that would happen, which is… >The moment the statehood is abolished, and is about to be redeclared, politicians at the state and federal level begin stroking their chins, “ACTUALLY, given what just happened, I think it makes sense to redistrict A to make it more ‘democratic’ and ‘in line with the popular vote.’” >Of course politicians at the federal level will agree, because they get to redraw the state’s boundaries and potentially get more senators for their party. You can argue whether that’s better or worse in the short term, but in the long term, there are large political bodies that have just been decentralized a bit more bois. >Seeing this has just happened, state bond rates SPIKE overnight, causing those with deficits and already large interest payments to panic. Suddenly, it’s not just A that’s been running huge deficits that’s about to default, it’s B, C, D, E, and F. >Loads of ridiculously large states get broken up. >Pop champagne corks when California is the bubble that bursts.

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Anonymous 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:20:23 Id: 7e6270 No. 3015 [Reply]
>coronavirus So how fake and gay was this shit after all?
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Assuming that the coronavirus is something real, How would a libertarian society handle the coronavirus and the problems that come out of it or such situations such as - >some shithole is responsible for the mess that people has to suffer through > to make sure they're not penalized for establishment's irresponsible containment practices >need for constant and increasing testing facilities >need for containment centres, increase in hospital beds, ventilators, PPEs >increase in medication, PPEs, sanitizers, mask production facilities >mass awareness for hygenic practices that needs propaganda and law enforcement >lockdowns >crime, police >vaccination >stockpiling fever pills, antivirals, antibiotics >increase medicine costs, hospital beds, treatment bills and other such problems.
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>>3339 Nothing we didn't already suspect, but still a heavy blackpill to keep us up at night. Fuck everyone involved in this, I pray they die from a long and painful cancer.

Ancap is Naive Anonymous 07/12/2020 (Sun) 07:52:12 Id: 06c0a6 No. 3325 [Reply]
Anarcho-Capitalism, left leaning and Anarchist Libertarianism is just as naive and stupid as Socialism or Communism. How exactly do you intend to deal with people using the freedom they gain in your society to overthrow your way of life? How do you keep undesirables from strong-arming the economy and abusing consumers much like how we see with major sudo monopolies like Google, Amazon and most banks do today? How do you keep foreign businesses undercutting your local economy? How do you keep companies from hiring in mass foreign labor over American labor for whatever reason? To me Liberterianism really only makes logical sense when Nationalist policies are applied to it and no I don't think that's a contradiction. If you want to have a truely free market and not have it completely shat on and destroyed in an instant I think economic protectionism, scrict border security and a nationalist foreign policty are extremely important. I think this is even more abundently clear seeing the digusting Marxist/Communist/Socialist revolution being allowed to happen in the U.S. today.
We've answered this a million times before, either keep it in the cuck corner >>926, or go back to complaining about it on twitter with everyone else.

Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 02:59:47 Id: df6794 No. 2438 [Reply]

Does forcing children to be potty trained violate the NAP?
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>>2438
You don't know what NAP is, faggot.
>>2439
ba-dum-tiss
>>2438 Children cannot survive in the wild without parental aid until around the age of 5 or 6. I would consider them the property of the parents (whatever agreement was made between the parents before conception) until they reach this age as a natural law.

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Prepper/Survivalist General Anonymous 07/02/2020 (Thu) 17:51:33 Id: a679c8 No. 3236 [Reply]
How many of you are the self-sufficient types? I live on 40 acres and before the covid/BLM crap I was attempting to become self-sufficient. Now it is full-speed ahead.
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Freeze-dying seems like a pretty badass way to go preserving food for 25+ years while retaining 60%+ of the nutrition. Super expensive but would equal the investment in the long term. https://youtu.be/buPlioiOLsU
>>3276 idk about fancy freeze drying equipment, it seems like that would be over-doing it. My friend got himself a really cheap vacuum sealing machine which can preserve shit for years depending what you're packaging, and combine that with presrvatives, or traditional preservation methods like salt or brine or sun-drying, and your food will also last a pretty long time.
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>>3281 I probably will look into those other methods as well. A freeze dyer is on my long list for sure. Bee hives are another idea I have been thinking about. Not just for the honey but the wax is useful for making candles, and propolis and royal jelly are super foods. I have seen some people have hives in the city, set up on their balconies or apartment rooftops. So even cityfags and take advantage of hives.

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