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Anonymous 01/24/2020 (Fri) 03:00:02 Id: 0e0d43 No. 1619 [Reply]

Were taxes REALLY much higher on the rich in the 1950s?
Can we get a definitive answer on this?

I mean if we plan on winning, we need to be countering these dumb talking points.

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>>1626
To answer your question though, I can't find data on the actual amount PAID in taxes by quintile (as opposed to the rate %s). The best I can get is the tax revenue as a % of GDP, which has stayed relatively constant.

This isn't what we're talking about, but if you really wanted to increase the government's tax revenue (I'm not speaking as a moral libertarian here, I'm speaking as an evil Machiovellian asshole), the only way I could see the U.S. doing that is to pass a VAT. VATs are scarily efficient at extracting wealth from society. However, I doubt it's very progressive.
>>1627
>I'm speaking as an evil Machiovellian asshole
>Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred; because he can endure very well being feared whilst he is not hated, which will always be as long as he abstains from the property of his citizens and subjects and from their women. But when it is necessary for him to proceed against the life of someone, he must do it on proper justification and for manifest cause, but above all things he must keep his hands off the property of others, because men more quickly forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony. Besides, pretexts for taking away the property are never wanting; for he who has once begun to live by robbery will always find pretexts for seizing what belongs to others; but reasons for taking life, on the contrary, are more difficult to find and sooner lapse. But when a prince is with his army, and has under control a multitude of soldiers, then it is quite necessary for him to disregard the reputation of cruelty, for without it he would never hold his army united or disposed to its duties.
It's always fascinated me how Machiavelli became viewed as Evil when his whole thing was about being a good ruler while not allowed your goodness to manifest as weakness, as a weak ruler would lead to greater misfortune for himself and his subjects than a cruel lord.
Making plans is difficult when you live in a police state. Everything is illegal. You are not allowed to go outside. You don't know if you can buy a house because you don't know if the government will close your business. You are not allowed to travel or escape. The state can indefinitely detain you without trial, grope you, kill you, torture you, or destroy or steal your property at any time. You are not allowed to have free speech, the government wiretaps you, you cannot go to church, and you cannot own a gun. Americans are now just slaves like North Koreans are.

California People's Republic Anonymous 06/14/2020 (Sun) 20:35:04 Id: 0439e1 No. 3105 [Reply]
Will they finally do it?
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One wonders if Snowden regrets throwing away his life to warn ungrateful Americans about unconstitutional NSA wire-tapping.
>>3105 I hope ANYONE does it. Set the precedent already.
The US government used to have no income tax and was funded mostly by tariffs. Now Americans scream tariffs should be increased while keeping the income tax. WTF?

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Liberterian Strategies To Counter Epidemics Anonymous 04/20/2020 (Mon) 19:17:24 Id: 9556fa No. 2697 [Reply]

Ok, since board is usually not very active, let me start a couple threads of interests.
In a libertarian society what would be the strategies to deal with an epidemic/outbreak ?
I choose this subject because it is an ideal subject to come up with solutions as it is usually thought as something to be countered from a central authority, such as border health checks restrictions etc.
We all know a libertarian society can easily switch to producing masks, drugs, medical machinery etc fast and cheap in abundance. So I thing we are all set on that point.
So about street security, health checks on borders and these required tests... who would be up to make them, in what ways etc.
Go.
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The world used to have no cities. City-states then started appearing. City-states led to countries. Now there is a global government. Hopefully, countries will break into small villages again when everything collapses. Iceland is not a free country, but maybe small places are more likely of having peace if everyone has similar values and backgrounds and everybody knows each other.
>>2697 Free market, use an n95. Easy.
Americans say that they will just ignore the US collapse, but what will you do when the Gestapo knock down your door to give you an anal swab virus test, mandatory vaccine, and confiscate your guns? What will you do when inflation is 1 million percent and the US defaults on the debt, Civil War 2.0 starts, and looters stab people with butter knives over a can of corn? What will you do when the US starts WWIII with Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia and the nuclear bombs explode around you? This is real. Wake up.

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ITT: Post liberty's article Article blogs general 11/04/2019 (Mon) 05:44:21 Id: e2afed No. 545 [Reply]

I think this article is important and worth of sharing of. Have a read
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>>556
alright, I'll post a link this time around with 1 paragraph each.

Powell Lied: Quantitative Easing Is Back

10/09/2019 Daniel Lacalle mises.org

The Federal Reserve, through its president Jerome Powell, has indicated that it is preparing to increase its balance “organically”. The effort to separate this latest monetary policy change of course from a full-blown new QE (quantitative easing) is, at the very least, amusing. If we look at what is being discussed, it has nothing to do with organic expansion and looks a lot like a new repurchase program.

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DECEMBER 16, 2019 schiffgold.com
Libertarians think that they should give up defending freedom because Americans hate liberty, but Libertarians should keep resisting tyranny for selfish reasons. While the elites control the money, government, and media, the 99% have the numbers. One Libertarian may not be able to resist being sent to the concentration camps, but one million people might

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Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 12:36:58 Id: 44d852 No. 2452 [Reply]

Excerpt from Wikipedia:

Rushdoony believed that a republic is a better form of civil government than a democracy. According to Rushdoony, a republic avoided mob rule and the rule of the "51%" of society; in other words "might does not make right" in a republic.[31] Rushdoony wrote that America's separation of powers between 3 branches of government is a far more neutral and better method of civil government than a direct democracy, stating "[t]he [American] Constitution was designed to perpetuate a Christian order". Rushdoony argues that the Constitution's purpose was to protect religion from the federal government and to preserve "states' rights."[32]

Rushdoony's work has been used by Dominion Theology advocates who attempt to implement a Christian government subject to Biblical law in the United States. Authority, behavioral boundaries, economics, penology and the like would all be governed by biblical principles in Rushdoony's vision, but he also proposed a wide system of freedom, especially in the economic sphere, and claimed Ludwig von Mises as an intellectual mentor; he called himself a Christian libertarian.[17]
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Most people support the police state until they become a victim of it.
>>2456 >However, republics are still subject to the same degenerative incentives to which democracies are, and don't really solve any of the problems inherent in the system, they just slow down the rate of decay. That's all systems anon. Republics and democracies are still the far better choice. Unfortunately power has a tendency to centralise, you can slow it down though and perhaps even push back against it, but even people like Roosevelt knew about this. A libertarian is a man tasked with fighting against the flow of that as much as he practically can.
Americans think that the US will be improved by expanding wars, increasing the debt, and adding more tyranny when the reason the USA is crashing is because the US has wars, is in debt, and has a police state. Americans used to say that they love freedom, but now they turn around and say they need the government to give them free Obamacare, build a wall, protect the US from Yemen, wiretap their phones, arrest people for feeding the homeless, stop farmers from plowing fields, force people to get rid of dogs, ban vaping, and torture suspects. Every country has the government it deserves.

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INTERNATIONAL RAID THREAD Libertarian Raider 11/19/2019 (Tue) 13:27:51 Id: 3d17c8 No. 775 [Reply]

RAİD FOR FREEDOM
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Not your personal army, faggot.
>>777 raid call is not personal army bro,raid call is
voluntary support
Could there be problems if vaccines are mandatory and drug companies aren't liable for deaths and injuries?

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Anonymous 02/10/2020 (Mon) 15:43:26 Id: 89d630 No. 1868 [Reply]

Why is agorism considered a separate ideology from anarcho-capitalism? It seems like anarcho-capitalism is the end result of agorism.
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>>1868
Agorism was mainly supposed to be a bridge between the Voluntaryist viewpoint and the Syndicalist viewpoint and a means to an end/a theoretically agreed upon strategy that is more "independent" of any particular anarchist ideology. See >>1870 It gained popularity around the 2000s at which point it widely spread via various "libertarian left" organizations back in 2013-2017 era. This is also why various groups with high AnCap participation had the rug pulled out from under them in big tent organizations by leftists leading to large group separations (See: Texas Students for Liberty getting sick and tired of the DC-based group's bullshit especially ISFL and forming their own NGO). By 2018 it was largely considered an AnCap ideology despite Konkin being left-libertarian.

For all intents and purposes just consider it "AnCap in practice." There's a few points of disagreement between AnCaps and Agorists, but they're smaller than the differences between AnCaps and Syndicalists. The entire ideology can be summed up as "Let the Black Market Choke The State!" It's just sometimes Agorists see certain social structures as "The State" that AnCaps don't.
>>1870
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I think agorism has it's place but it wouldn't hurt to have someone running for office as well to alleviate government bullshit. Maybe something like a two pronged approach.
Americans think that the elites want to collapse the economy so that the globalists can buy property cheaply, but what if the ruling class wants to kill off the 99% so that they can steal property?

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Anonymous 09/20/2019 (Fri) 09:20:38 Id: 85b5dd No. 82 [Reply]

While I usually defend free market and freedom, and argue that the only reason the roastie problem is out of control is due to State's incentives towards women's education, divorce, single motherhood, I'm not sure it is enough.
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>>82
Once there is no state and no welfare for the eternal whores and such other parasites to leech from, deciding to go the way of the thot and become a single mother is pretty much suicidal since said mother would have to provide to her children all by herself, and since women are so incapable of doing anything right they would quickly go back to doing what is needed to get a man's commitment and financial-security, that is, marriage. You can't make women stop being sluts but you can take away all incentives for them to act on such impulses, and so private law society would see an end to gynocentrism, although that would be irrelevant since the free market is the shortest path to genetically engineered catgirl wives and women would be obsolete by then.
>>2134
>the free market is the shortest path to genetically engineered catgirl wives and women would be obsolete by then.
Gee... I wonder who could be behind this post?
The Soviet Union was dangerous, but the Communists have defeated the USA without military force.

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Should journalists be physically removed? Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 03:52:52 Id: e90f40 No. 2441 [Reply]

Over the past two decades, I've seen U.S. mainstream media:

- Refuse to mention blowback w.r.t. 9/11.
- For the next two decades hence stay mum whenever the "Patriot" Act got renewed.
- Lie about WMDs and get the U.S. into Iraq.
- Lie about the economy immediately before the '08 crash.
- Rally for TARP after the '08 crash.
- Lie about Obamacare.
- Lie about Syria and the White Helmets.
- Lie about Iran.
- All the while stay absolutely and completely mum about what the CIA, NSA, etc. do or have done, and conveniently don't say a word about SOPA, PIPA, FOSCA, etc..

And I have a sneaking feeling they're lying about how terrible this COVID19 stuff is actually going to be in the U.S. right now.

1 - How is the U.S. government so perfectly in correct of major news organizations? They don't say a
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>>2474
>will be

Public education teaches normalniggers that "intelligent people" stay "informed" by watching the news.
Americans are insane hypocrites now. The very same Americans who scream that straws should be illegal, protests are great, the police should be abolished, the border must be opened, and schools are wonderful then turn around and say that masks must be mandatory, protests must be outlawed, guns must be banned, the border must be closed, and schools must be shut. The very same Americans who swear that they love freedom then turn around and insist that websites must be outlawed, solar panels should be banned, free trade should be ended, and pot must be illegal. WTF?

Anonymous 03/30/2020 (Mon) 20:03:06 Id: 265384 No. 2493 [Reply]

I have been thinking about creating an American ‘political’ organization along the lines of the dissent right wing groups in Europe. The idea is to have the organization be distantly American so that criticism of the
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>>2546
>Mountain Dew Boys
Ebin :DDDD
>>2539
Fun fact: The American Legion started out as an anti-leftist militia.
Why did the USA fight for freedom against the British, Hitler, North Korea, and Saddam if America just ended up as a police state? All those Americans soldier died in vain.

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Death and Taxes in a Libertarian/Minarchist Community Anonymous 10/27/2021 (Wed) 04:13:21 Id: e23c79 No. 4675 [Reply]
Let's discuss taxation, its legitimacy or lack thereof, and ways to keep what public servants that may exist in a freer society accountable. Minarchism and Libertarianism are both anti-statist ideologies but they still hinge somewhat on the presence of, if little else, a system of courts where conflicts between citizens are arbitrated-and this arrangement necessitates presence of full time employees. Is it possible to have zero taxes and if not, what would be the most ethical means of procurement and distribution be?
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You know a country is rigged when the government forces you to buy products, gives bailouts to companies, and uses regulations to prevent you from starting a business.
>>4689 This is true, and lest we forget they'd also recently made it impossible to patronize small businesses for an entire year, intentionally and knowingly destroying a large swathe of them in the process (because funneling the same number of people into a smaller surface area with shorter operating hours is so much better for "pandemic" outcomes, right?).
Those who say that they hate the elites sound like hypocrites when they turn around and say that the globalists must be obeyed.

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Anonymous 03/29/2020 (Sun) 16:00:45 Id: f30b79 No. 2480 [Reply]

Are there any differences between voluntaryism and anarcho-capitalism? I see people use these terms interchangeably, but I also see people claim they're separate ideologies.
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>>2623
Could this be "solved" by just letting in a certain amount of out-group individuals that within a short number of generations would be genetically integrated? That is, if you let in, let's say, a family of asians, would the increased cost of transaction go as low as it was in the 100% homogeneous group if the tiny amount of asians mix genetically with the whites up to the point that their genes are diluted enough not to be visually differentiable from the other whites? That could be a way to let in certain high IQ or really valuable individuals of different racial groups into your covenant without that affecting it negatively in the long run, right?
>>2630
>Could this be "solved" by just letting in a certain amount of out-group individuals that within a short number of generations would be genetically integrated?
I suppose, but at that point you're basically just being homogeneous but with more steps. Regression to the mean implies that the net benefit to the gene pool would be negligible without a very aggressive eugenics program to supplement it, and most outsiders probably wouldn't want to join a community with the knowledge that their genes and way of life would be bred out of existence within a couple generations. You may as well just make an official policy of complete ethnostate, then deal with exceptional circumstances as they appear (since unless you're literally autistic you can always bend your own rules if it benefits you), instead of spending unnecessary time and effort trying to institutionalize your policy for unlikely and highly variable exceptional circumstances.
Exactly. We'll all be living in caves after everything is outlawed, but then you can be sure that living in caves will soon be banned in order to protect endangered bats.

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Rona Card Anonymous 11/16/2021 (Tue) 23:24:42 Id: 000000 No. 4875 [Reply]
If someone I knew wanted to get a verifiable vaccine card, what would he need to do and where he need to go?
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The very same Americans who scream that regulations make countries rich are surprised to hear that the Soviet Union was poor.
>4876 youre absolutely right
Patriots say that Americans will never pick up a gun to resist tyranny because Americans are too lazy to even send an email to Congress, but you should never give up defending freedom. Don't go to the concentration camps quietly.

fed holdings of financial assets july 2020 Anonymous 07/11/2020 (Sat) 17:26:19 Id: 482686 No. 3316 [Reply]
how do we bankrupt this
>>3316 >Bankrupt the institution that makes money. Uhhhhhhh
>>3317 Soros did it to the Bank of England. Short sold the pound and forced it to sell reserves to back its value. Once it ran out it was forced to devalue.
People are not looking at the big picture and the future. Our overlords never say a new decree is to take away your freedom. The elites say a law is to keep you safe for your own good. Resistance must be a full-time job. If you have 10 guns, better buy more. If you own 10 guns, say that you don't have any.

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Negative Interest Rates Anonymous 06/24/2020 (Wed) 11:57:07 Id: b74ca9 No. 3178 [Reply]
ITT we discuss how negative interest rates are going to destroy our collective economic futures.
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>>3265 There's another post that I'd like to make some time about how the price of this economic distortion has led to social disorder and also on how the Fed's mandate is contradictory in the current environment and is bound for failure, but that is for another time. I also think the information needs to be compiled into a singular argument because the failures are both global and domestic.
>>3266 Lastly in case it skips my mind in the future, the body of fiat that banks, hedge funds, and corporations have come into possession of is so great that they can no longer make investments of value, because they cannot deploy their vast stocks of capital into a startup without causing it to become overpriced. This is has lead to scenarios such as Warren Buffet sitting on $137 billion in cash and equivalent instruments, and Apple on $207 billion. It isn't because they're stupid, it's because the monetary system is broken.
When the elites shut down the Internet and wall off the cities, you will know that the globalists have started liquidating the 99%. Just look what is happening in Myanmar, France, Greece, South Africa, Cuba, Hong Kong, Canada, Germany, Australia, and the Netherlands to see your future.

Anonymous 06/29/2020 (Mon) 02:52:21 Id: 5221e7 No. 3185 [Reply]
Should there be a state to enforce contracts or should gentlemen settle it between themselves?
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>>3202 The King
>>3204 Based and monarchpilled.
The level of insanity in the US now is staggering. You know that you live in the Twilight Zone when the USA is a bankrupt warmongering police state and Americans look you in the eye and say that the US is a free and peaceful country with a balanced budget. The elites want to cull off the 99% and Americans insist that the globalists don't want to kill them. Americans scream killing babies means freedom. Americans think that the ruling class should decree that everyone must have their thumbs amputated with a rusty machete.

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