>>209187
No, the post I was replying to was mad about stories going on forever. Yeah, bad stories existing is bad, but to argue that the Frieza saga sucks because of a sequel story that came out 30 years later is retarded.
Lois Lane being a slut is a different issue. It's been canon since at least 1986, but frankly, go look at Action Comics #1. She was always a slut. I don't like sluts, but that's her character. She's never been a very likeable woman. She's been a bitch since the first chapter. Being around Superman slowly made her a better person, but before then, she was pretty much every negative female quality put together. Except she seemingly cared about the truth and did try to legitimately do her job and report the news. But she was a real cunt while she did it.
>>209190
>one competitor in a market gains while the other loses
Not while, but after. Significantly after. If it was at the same time you'd have more of an argument. But even then, you're not addressing the point that capeshit being the main factor here is a retarded concept when capeshit comics died immediately before capeshit movies boomed for over 20 years, and a capeshit manga is one of the most popular. Nobody has made any claim to back up capeshit being the issue. You've just kept repeating it.
I also want to be clear, I don't even like the movies. I just like the comics, which died in the '90s. I have no dog in this race. I just like reading shit from 25-85 years ago. And also some manga from today. But none of this matters. What matters is that your arguments don't exist.
>"it just declined and never recovered
Yes, it was dead for a long time before manga sales took off in America. As mentioned, terrible distribution lead to a host of long-term problems. The distribution issue was never solved for decades, until coronavirus killed the company that had a monopoly on distribution, and by then it was too late to get shelf space on any self-respecting store's rack. There's a much longer post about this above, that nobody actually addressed.
>Ah yes, so people just magically stopped liking comic books, but still liked manga
No, they stopped liking comics for reasons discussed above, then decades later started buying manga. But again, you're not addressing the point I'm refuting, which is the claim that capeshit is the reason comics died. If that were true, then capeshit movies wouldn't have become the highest selling movies for the next 20+ years after the comic industry crashed. Please, just address this point. It would be so easy.
>which is commonly sold in the same places, and is literally translated as "comic books", and can be described to people as "Japanese comic books" without being inaccurate, but they have nothing to do with each other I'm sure
I'm the one who has been saying they're similar, not different. However, not only is manga sold in way more places, due to American companies having terrible distribution, but the decades of terrible distribution and thus catering to whales has made their stories inaccessible even if you can find one. You might go to a bookstore and find some collections, but good luck finding what order to read the collections in unless you are at least already somewhat knowledgeable. Manga benefits from being labelled with volume numbers. Marvel and DC are stupid and don't put Volume 1 on the first collection of "Superman," they put it on something called "The Superman Chronicles," and then you'll find a dozen other Superman collections that label themselves Volume 1, because they say "this is Part 1 of story arc X or Writer Y's run" or whatever other stupid shit, because they think putting #1 on something will make it sell more, even though it has the long term effect of making everything incomprehensible. Marvel has put out like 10 "Captain Marvel #1" comics in the last decade, not to mention all the collections that label themselves Volume 1. Of course it's a moot point since nobody wants to read modern Captain Marvel anyway.
Comics are far more fucked than you realize.
>>209194
To be fair, I don't think Lois ever cheated on Superman, or saw other men after she was with him. But she was a slut in her backstory. But then again, I haven't read what Bendis did to Superman, and I assume it was terrible.
Did Sue Storm actually fuck Namor? I highly doubt it. There's always been an element of tension, since Fantastic Four #3 or whatever it was where they first met, but it pretty much always just plays Namor as a borderline rapist, and Sue remains pure.
But Ultimate Sue Storm cucked Reed with The Thing, resulting in Ultimate Reed becoming a supervillain.
>>209195
Green Arrow is pretty much a slut himself, and if anything has cucked Black Canary plenty of times. He's always (since 1970) been written as a male feminist, with all the negatives that implies. However, if we're counting Lois's past, then it should be noted that the Black Canary that Green Arrow was first attracted to was Dinah Lance, nee Drake. Much older than him, she was married to Larry Lance for 20 years before he got killed and Green Arrow immediately swooped in and started hitting on her. Later, in order to make it less weird that Green Arrow was fucking an old lady (since she was from Earth-Two, the universe where people actually aged in real time), they revealed she was actually her own daughter, with the mind of her mother implanted in her. Larry Lance was her dad, not her husband. But she still had her mom's mind and memories of fucking him, so it's probably best not to think about it so much. Then after that, history got changed so there was a Black Canary Sr. and a Black Canary Jr., and they were just fully different people the whole time, and Green Arrow was only after the younger one.
Anyway, Hawkman isn't a cuck since destined love is his whole thing. But in the DC Animated Universe, one of the very last episodes is about Hawkman getting cosmically cucked by (notably black) Green Lantern, John Stewart. Hawkman and Hawkgirl are destined to be together, but she chooses John anyway, and it's implied she probably cucked him in past lives as well. Notably, when we first saw the future Justice League in an episode of Batman Beyond, the future Hawkman, Warhawk, was white, but later, after Batman and John Stewart went back to the dawn of time (which the comics well establish changes history), then went back to the future, Warhawk was now black. Stewart went back in time and cosmically cucked Hawkman. But none of this is canon to the comics, of course. Well it is on Earth 39 or whatever the DCAU is, but not the main universe or Earth-Two.
>>209198
Not a single thing you say in this post addressed a single thing I said in my posts. You just keep repeating yourself with nothing to back it up, while I keep posting simple things to refute it, such as you having the entire timeline fucked up. You keep acting as if the movies and the comics are the same thing, then moving back and forth between arguments that only apply to one. The SJW shit isn't very important to the comics since the comics died in the '90s. It is important to the movies since the movies, very recently, were all the highest grossing movies of all time, until the hard SJW shift. And even then they continue to be the most successful movies, though in a damaged field. Your continued refusal to address any of this shows you know you don't have a leg to stand on.
Also, I haven't brought it up yet, to be fair, but there are tons of non-capeshit western comics. They aren't the most successful ones usually, but sometimes. Walking Dead, for example. Jonah Hex was doing well enough for a time for DC to make a big budget film out of it, albeit a terrible one. Even if we step back to just before SJWs ruined everything, the big two had a few non-capeshit titles each, and indies had plenty more. Of course, they were all still plagued by all of the other problems I mentioned, which yo