>>1078520 You'd think with many romhacks being made, there would be more of them either making cutscenes skippable or outright removing them.

>>1078808 Don't remind me, probably the worst example of it but even just browsing around, seeing a cool looking game and then suddenly "roguelike" out of nowhere for no good reason is extremely unpleasant.

>>1078802 The actual Rogue is quite fun, albeit very difficult and arguably too long. I don't know where the "character builds are based on random bullshit" aspect came from, that wasn't present in Rogue or many other early roguelikes, but it's become a staple of the genre with games like Binding of Issac and Risk of Rain 2. I hate how the kind of shitty PC port is the only version of Rogue most people know, it's eclipsed the significantly better Atari-ST version.

>>1078812 What if they made a remake of rogue?

>>1078817 It would be a low budget soulslike with a little metroidvania and homosexual art style.

Not sure what you'd call it but games where real world time and game time are synced together are an instant turn off. I remember deciding to give Animal Crossing on the 3DS a try because I wanted to feel comfy but the constant nagging from the characters when I didn't play for a few days was annoying and not being able to access certain features at night, while immersive, was frustrating when I didn't have much time to play during the day.

>>1078817 Third person shooter.

>>1078466 (OP) This shit.

Upgrade/progression systems. Wow, you gimped the character and now I have to do MMO grinding just to play the game.

>>1079032 BEE-TRAYAL

>>1079037 Yet the executives of the company start to wonder: >what went wrong? >why nobody's buying the pile of dogshit? For the next day just to shitcan everything or mutilate the whole thing beyond recognition, raping the game's main source code into a spaghetti mess.

>>1079037 Anything published by Bethesda and Ubisoft, progression systems are fine when done right though. Issue is these two fucking companies pushing for dripfeeding for the most basic stuff with no actual player choice. >5% more damage >10 more boolets Fucking cunts

>>1079092 You'd be surprised at the retention for those mechanics. It's also why in the majority of games nowadays you might not have everything unlocked right away, it "gives a sense of progression" that they're constantly aiming for the "just right amount". Normalfags love grinding shit, which doesn't surprise me given that they're conditioned to do so.

>>1078590 Borderlands would be much better if the game gave you 1/15th the loot, but it started from tier 3. So much grey and green trash that only exists to sell for borderline useless currency. In the original game, around General Knoxx is when I began ignoring loot that didn't come from chests. The enemies dropped so much you could legitimately have 100+ weapons, grenades, and shields littering the area after a single battle, sorting through it all was a tedious process that rarely had a benefit. What's worse is finding weapons that are good, but the stats are barely different from what you currently have and you can't tell what's better. Choice paralysis becomes a real problem in "looter" games. >>1079116 I have talked to normalfags who've told me they won't play a game without a battle pass because or prestige system because "it gives me no reason to play". Number go up is a very strong motivator for some people, and a huge number of gamers are wageslaves who only play vidya to unwind and turn off.

>>1079037 Progression systems work when the game mechanics are so complex they would be overwhelming for a new player. So something like Factorio or Kerbal Space Program can effectively use the progression system as a guide for the player. But I can't think of anything in action or adventure games so complex it would ever justify a progression system.

>>1078828 Pokemon Crystal did this with some mon encounters I think.

>>1079138 Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, and SoulSilver all do it. Different encounters and rates depending on if it's Morning, Day, or Night. There are also various things that happen depending on the day of the week, including NPCs only appearing on certain days, for example. Gen III and later all do it to a much smaller degree, though. Like Gen III removed pretty much all of it except for the Berries, which still regrow based on the real time clock, rather than in-game time. Gen V has Seasons, though each Season is only a month, not three months. Still, you might have to wait three months to see something if it's in the previous Season. That one might have been a little too much. I fucking love Pokemon Gen II. I was so mad when they removed this depth from Gen III. I did think it made everything much more immersive, even though I almost never was able to play in the Morning.

>>1078466 (OP) Of all the things that could you turn you off of RotR and it's the fucking loot system? What the hell anon?

>>1079189 The real-time feature in D/P/P was really good, in my opinion. At least, that's the opinion of a kid who had more time on his hands and could play any time of the day as long as he wasn't at school. What I liked the most, though, was the different soundtracks depending on the time of day.

>>1079266 If the checklist open world shit wasn't bad enough, you have to sort that shitty mess and craft and min max your build for 5 hours only for RNG to give you some better bullshit 10 minutes later. Fuck color coded loot systems

>>1079138 All of Gen 2 did it. Gen 5 did "seasonal" encounters where every month cycled to a new season. That was great. They shouldn't have REMOVED THE DAY NIGHT CYCLE and they should have KEPT THE SEASONS for all subsequent games. I want to only catch geese in the fall in the evening. I want to only catch cicadas in summer during the day.

>>1079189 The whole seasonal/day and night cycle thing for Pokemon, I didn't mind because the games don't nag at you if you aren't spending time trying to catch pokemon in specific times/seasons. I suppose I'm more annoyed at games that nag at you when you don't play than the actual time passing itself. Makes you feel like you're doing a job more than playing a game.

>Level scaling applied to the whole world whether it makes sense or not Oblivion is probably the worst offender. Level scaling was applied to everything and was immersion breaking. If you happened across a legendary weapon early on, its stats were scaled to be similar to ones of a low-tier weapon. On the flipside, in late game you had common roadside bandits running around in daedric armor worth tens of thousands but still shaking down people for 50 coins. Equipment that was worth fortune and should have been rare became common. And many lower level creatures were replaced by high level ones, rendering scamps for example nearly extinct by the time you reached max level. Ironically, Morrowind did it best. Most of the level scaling was applied in certain spots and it made more sense. The higher the quality of equipment, the more scarce it was in the world. Usually buried in a challenging dungeon or in possession of someone powerful. You could still encounter weaker daedra, undead, and animals even at max level. >Game where you and the AI should be more or less 1:1 opponents but the AI gets to ignore the rules and mechanics to make it more challenging or fair because devs can't code a proper opponent This probably bothered me the most in Civ V. AI gets to practically ignore happiness mechanic so it can spam cities to take over whole coastlines or resource nodes with no penalties. On higher difficulties AI gets tech and other bonuses so playing a game on these settings means always following the same script of always rushing science and wonders that help yo keep up and ignoring most other mechanics for the first couple hours of the game. This annoyed me so much that I haven't touched any game with Sid Meyer's name on it since Civ V.

>>1078511 >This Map markers were a clever or lazy way for devs to tell the players where to go without having to write text that need to be translated, or worry about what happens if the area gets redisigned if the marker is tied to the objective. Fuck it, they may even design quests before having the area designed, because they just slap a markeron the objective and call it a day. >It just fucking wrecks exploration and immersion.

>>1078466 (OP) There is nothing good about Cyberpunk 2077's lootsystem(s). Why the fuck did the color coding in particular piss you off?

>>1079938 >Game where you and the AI should be more or less 1:1 opponents but the AI gets to ignore the rules and mechanics to make it more challenging or fair because devs can't code a proper opponent I forgot how much this one bugs me. All the fog of war cheating in Advance Wars, where the AI doesn't need to sight your units before attacking; all the arena opponents in the Armored Core games that inexplicably get OP-Intensify's benefits, because their builds often can't work without it; all the times in Sonic Shuffle where the AI goes out of its way to steal the one card from your hand that you needed, even while you shuffle your hand; all the Yugioh games where the second the AI is at a disadvantage, it can "Heart of the Cards" as many copies of Raigeki as it wants, while the player is limited to only 1.

>>1080614 Every game that does this pisses me off fag It's RNG hell busywork

>>1078511 Nigger use the fucking map Bethesda is fucking awful doing that, but at least you get a pretty accurate map.

>>1080742 But you can upgrade any weapon from cum-tier to legendary-tier if you just grind for the right ingredients, anon!

>>1080829 >Spend 1 hour sorting and upgrading weapon >Get a better weapon not 5 minutes later >Same model >Same moveset >But this one is gold Fuck this whole system

>>1080832 >This Once upon a time a weapons didn't need colors to be different. And they didn't need to drop fucking 200 variations of the same fucking thing, just to let you farm for upgrades. That shit belongs in MMO time sinks and even there it's a shitty mechanic. >Make different weapons different again!

>>1080743 I'm not sure you even understood the post

>>1080866 >If you're not using waymarkers you'll just have to wander aimlessly I know how to read And I understand your issue and agree, I'm just saying that using a map that's tied to your wrist is at least more immersive than a fucking compass or arrow in the middle of your screen.

>>1080870 >You gotta learn how to think also Map wont do shit, if the devs rely so heavily on markers, that the only other desrciption you get is 'Go talk to Steve', and without marker, you have no fucking clue if Steve is around the corner, or i nthe bottom of Vault Fuck You that you already visited, but he's behind the secret door that only opens if the quest if active. A map will not fucking help you dim wit.