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Renouncing Lust Thread #1 Anonymous 11/16/2023 (Thu) 10:49:09 No. 85 [Reply] [Last]
Continuation of this 8kun thread: https://archive.is/q0OW6 1) Pledge an amount of time. Preferably a number of weeks. Post it in this thread. 2) If you break your pledge, you must also confess your transgression in this thread. 3) If you keep your pledge you may reward yourself… with more time pledged! 4) For purposes of this thread, "masturbation" is defined as touching your genitals for purposes other than basic hygiene and expulsion of wastes. For those of you who have entirely transcended physical sex but who use succubus and so on you can also make pledges here to control your sexual thoughts and try not to evoke or meet any entities to have sex with. Remade the thread since the last one was very popular and hit the bump limit and many of you want use your generative powers for a higher purpose than mere wasted moments of hedonism. Post any techniques for the transformation and proper use of sexual energy here also. Personally I feel that stage one should be to completely stop with touching or physical stimulation of sexual energy and learning to take that desire and drive and focus it mentally into thoughtforms. If you are going to entertain lustful ideas at least don't be a silly mundane about it when you could be using thoughtforce to telekinetically get yourself off or something similar. Straight up fapping is for mundanes.
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>>85 Heartbreak and the prospect of never meeting my true love has turned my lust towards purification and divinity. I distrust the catholic church. My resolution is absolute.
>>6815 I broke my pledge.
Fasting. It's hardcore over two days, hard af if not used to it, but you feel sooo cleansed it's insane, impossible to describe properly.

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The Arena Anonymous 02/27/2025 (Thu) 16:58:50 No. 7217 [Reply]
Focused discussions & arguments. Keeping it within the topic range of /fringe/, this thread is meant for controversial topics or discussions which may lead to heated arguments. If you feel your post may initiate such an exchange, bring it to the Arena.
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>>7240 >or it's a personal thing to reach. Yupp Also Kabbalah is not exactly Judaism. This is where the problem starts. The mainstream Kabbalah is quite "Modern".
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>>7240 >The Jews have not collectively been able to form a doctrine for this step yet. This would be the main reason they are acting out so violently, the energy isn't connected. >However, I believe this can be done. The system has the potential for this. DONE. I also invited Skinny Bob to take part, because (I had forgotten this) I referred to their research library when I was doing the first kabbalah meditation session, and I figured they may like this stuff: They did. 40 000 of them wanted to take part in activating the inner alchemy of "pain-resistant Jews". The effect was very good. I kept going until my Astra servitor said "the last one has been opened", so no remaining "Jew" or associated being on Earth or around, will now have that last energy connection up to the Crown/Kether missing. It should have the effect of neutralizing the outrageous behavior of them as a group as well.
Metatron, vigilantes and the role of the king Incoherent post incoming... 3... 2... 1.. nuclear downfall So the problem which Illuminati is causing by their black market trade is caused not by it being specifically evil or wrong, it's caused by them breaking the "law" which the system follows. It's a technical issue, like they are writing code in the wrong syntax and causing bugs, or whatever. Enoch was a Jew, when he ascended and became Metatron, he didn't leave the proximity of the Earth, because even so, he still hadn't solved the historical karma which was entangled in the planets, which are old suns created through Babylonian and Aztec human sacrifice rituals. This caused him to become a new kind of sun object for worship, when people of any following age associated him with God and the angels. So they would project their sacrifices at him, but he's more of an atom than an actual visible sun, so the negative energy just started circulating around him. Few people were also able to grasp his method, which was to just become a hermit in the desert in an age when everyone except kings were poor as rats to begin with. An ascetic in an age when everyone would be seen as ascetics from modern views. Plus that he's an original Jew and people today aren't, muslims do recognize his status as an angel of God though. >pic When completely isolated in a state of natural high caused by the removal of all pain, one does not meddle with karmic circumstances like the black market does today. This creates a huge purity difference in both karmic but also complexity level of the mindset. In the past history, the King would have a scepter and an apple. >pic The scepter has the power to control negative energies of the land, which includes vigilantes. Why? Because the king is above the law, he rules by decree, and vigilantes are merely enforcing the law on their own. The apple then represents metatron or God. Today this doesn't work, because the the president is not above the law even if he can rule by executive orders. He also doesn't have a scepter. They thought they had fixed this by spreading the Jesus legend of the saviour of the world, who's also a star/sun. But Jews didn't recognize him, muslims neither, and asia barely cared. So they stubbornly went to war against all of them instead of just realizing that this Jesus the sun character isn't going to do it. All this could have been solved by referring to Enoch/Metatron, but he's Jewish and they don't like Jews... So they solved this with grey alien technology to create the Moloch Sun instead. This was never publicised, they just did it anyway, and legalized abortion to feed it. To get asians on-board with it, they used an obscure buddhist sect known as Vedanta, and adapted it into the Moloch cult, spreading it as ''science". This got everyone into the same "temple". But they ignored that it's a monastic order which demands celibacy, so this created a huge "vigilante effect" of people demanding celibacy and attacking anything with sexual implications in society, so it didn't work as they intended AT ALL. Fucking idiots. Plus that they don't have the scepter. They misunderstood it as being just a channel for the armed forces, and wanted to create some kind of weapon in its place: the US army. With added alien technology for satellite ray guns, mind controlling antennas (5G) and downright alien warships, which are the UFOs we keep seeing. Neither of these can actually replace the King's Scepter, because the scepter also channels the will of the lands, it's not just a container for vigilantism.

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/Fringe/ cartography Anonymous 03/01/2025 (Sat) 03:23:39 No. 7336 [Reply]
I seek to comprehend more things preferably by absorbing memes and infographics. Dmt realm, astral plane, world of forms, the warp etc. Hopefully we can all mutually gain here. Anything that helps you get a firmer grip on this experience.
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Fringe /music/ I Anonymous 06/30/2024 (Sun) 07:00:13 No. 1389 [Reply]
Previous /fringe/ Music Thread: https://archive.is/9Qgf3 Frog Concert - Lullaby of the Crystal Eyed Squeaker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISiO6OEviY
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>>7312 >perhaps one of you would check to see what's going
>>7324 earrape warning

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Falun Gong thread Anonymous 02/27/2025 (Thu) 17:37:44 No. 7219 [Reply]
Resources have been posted here: >>2965 >Falun Gong/Falun Dafa books >>2966 >This is the instruction for a cleansing practice with two formulas in Chinese The official English speaking website for books and lectures: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-books.html Note The content on this website is constantly "updated", which has lead to some of the texts being changed after 2015, when the FG movement started going seriously astray. Use at your own risk. Exercise video instruction: https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-video-audio.html The official English language website of Falun Gong: https://en.minghui.org/ This is treated as the main outlet for FG articles in the west, it publishes translations of articles from the Chinese language version, found at:

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The way FG is normally taught, is by first teaching the exercises. This can be done by an "assistant" at your local "assistance center". As things are currently, I don't recommend this. It used to work because you are then getting personal instruction and can ask questions. But FG has unfortunately turned into the "cult" the CCP accused it of being back in 1999. It wasn't like this at first, and in the west is took perhaps longer for the process of going astray to take off. So currently, I would instead say; avoid the assistance center, and don't seek contact with assistants. If you meet someone who is practicing, and you determine them to be normal, decent people without cultist behaviour, you can practice with them. It has a positive effect to practice in group, if the original method is used in a non-perverted way.
Exercises To learn the exercises and understand the basics, read the book Falun Gong, or "Chinese Falun Gong", the title may vary between editions. It has images of the exercise poses and explains their function in a technical sense. To get the movements right, you can watch the video linked in the OP. This is a follow-along instruction, with instructions in Chinese, so you should have read the book first, or you can't keep up. Once you know the exercises, you can use mp3s posted on the same website for the pacing and music. Cultivation The next step, after you know the 5 exercises, is to start on actual "cultivation". The introduction to this is a compendium titled "The Great Consummation Way", also linked in the OP. It's a ~50 page document explaining what cultivation is, and the function of the assistance center. It also explains how to set up your own assistance center. Anyone is free to do this with no contact with the organization in the USA. If people started actually doing this by this document now, independently, it may cause a revival of the original method. Zhuan Falun This is the main book of Falun Dafa. Notice the term here is Dafa and not Gong. That is because it refers to the "great law", Da Fa, rather than the "cultivated energy" which is called Gong. Falun Gong refers to the method of using the Fa Lun, "law wheel" to transform virtue, De 德, into Gong. Gong is "intelligent high density energy" and can manifest as supernormal abilities, such as those shown in Kung Fu movies. The term Gong is the same as Kung, those are just different spellings. Kung Fu of Gong Fu are "abilities gained from transformation of virtue". To transform Virtue, De 德, you need to first have it. You will start with Ye 業, karma, and transform it into virtue. This is done by following the great law, Da Fa. The Falun Gong exercises only transform virtue into Gong, they don't create virtue from karma. This is a complex process taking place in everyday life, by following the law explain in Zhuan Falun. For this reason, you need to read the book a lot, and understand how to apply its contents. This is called "Fa study" or "studying the law", and is a main activity, which is invisible to those who do not practice actively. If you haven't started for real, you will do the exercises and think this is all there is.
Guangzhou 9 day lectures These are recordings of the original introduction to Falun Gong by Li Hongzhi in 1992. They exist in different versions, because he held them multiple times. On the website are videos with voice over in English, but there used to also be mp3s with voice over by an interpreter in different languages. Both are fine to use, as long as they have the original Chinese audio as the base. This is because Li was here channelling the source of the teachings directly, so the meaning in the Chinese original is included and will have an effect on the listener as a form of chants. The original way of teaching FG after the person has learned the exercises, is to watch the 9 day lectures. This must be done over a period of 9 days, with one lecture per day and no interruption. Watching them faster may be dangerous because it initiates a cleanse of your body, which could potentially even kill you if you were to watch 2 lectures in one day on the first run. If you interrupt the 9 day session, the effect also won't be very good. This is considered the "real way" of being introduced into FG practice. After this session, your thinking will also change, and you will feel different, and view the world differently.

Anonymous 05/24/2023 (Wed) 14:48:25 No. 9 [Reply] [Last]
Why fringe is dead. Come back pls
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>>4103 >It happened again
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Spirit waifu and tulpa thread Anonymous 02/11/2025 (Tue) 23:56:10 No. 6597 [Reply]
A tulpa is an entity created in the mind, acting independently of, and parallel to your own consciousness. Your own past lives will also appear as tulpas if you can interact with them, tulpas are simply minds. https://www.tulpa.info/ A succubus is a spiritual being external to yourself, whom you can interact with, and form contracts with. https://succubuslove.wordpress.com/ An egregore is a collective construct, such as an archetype or popular fictional character. Some gods which people pray to are egregores (this can be debated, my view is that Odin and Allah are examples of such egregores which are created through collective worship), but other constructs in collective memory, like cities, are also egregores. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore It's important to make a distinction between these, even if they can appear very similar when interacting with them in the form of spiritual guides or partners. Let's have a thread for this topic.
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>>6667 >point of reptilians I'm talking about St George and the Dragon being personifications of two secret societies, the templars and the reptilians. So then they are egregoral representations of organizations, which are mystified because they are secluded, so most people don't understand the reference.
If you want to examine strange egregores, try to spiritually dive into Sweeney Todd. That one has "been tampered with" indeed, to paraphrase a certain Harry Potter universe wizard. What did they hide by doing so?
>>6672 All I remember from that movie is that the sound mixing was such ass that it was impossible to hear the dialog because it was muffled by the background sound effects and score.

Three basic steps for a budding magician Anonymous 12/27/2023 (Wed) 18:44:43 No. 160 [Reply]
There are three basic steps on the road to adepthood any initiate must eventually master. In this post I will give you the basic gist of each of them as well as material to learn and practice better. We can discuss these things in this thread. But practice is *essential*. No amount of talking about something will get you one minute closer to achieving it. Note that I said "initiate" and not "neophyte" because I'm going to assume you already have some experience activating sigils, doing some sort of candle magick, planetary prayers or petitioning spirits. This is not about that. Let's call the first step "the silent mind". Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haWd-1Ia3d0 Practice often in cultivating that mental state. Just stay in it. Don't expect anything from it and simply learn to enter that state on command. Sit there and familiarize yourself without engagement with what might happen. Try practicing as you go to sleep. Let's call the second one "the feeling body". Get this PDF: https://innerworlddesigns.com/circle/book12/pdf/Robert%20Bruce%20-%20New%20Energy%20Ways.pdf Read it and do all the exercises at least once. It's something that gives you instant feedback and requires almost no mental skill to do. So, get good and familiar with this technique. The third one, let's call it "active intention". There is no video or PDF for this one. Get into the silent mind state, and say "there's a white circle in front of me". Your ears need to actually hear the words. You will notice something will appear in your mind's eye in your otherwise essentially empty mind. Experiment with this procedure and isolate the intention that stirs your imagination until you can trigger it without the words. This is actual "will", as some put it. Intention as pure feeling. Your job is to distill it. This process will probably feel somewhat familiar to the second step. In the process of becoming proficient with the three steps, you will have picked up nuances on what each of one entails. Next, you need to experiment and combine them with the knowledge you've gained as you practiced them. The key to applying this in practice needs to click before it makes sense, but when you get to this point (and not before, since this will be useless information to you), know that the things you feel when you focus your silent mind on something are not your feelings, but your energetic perceptions. Unlike, say, visual perceptions, these are easily a two way street for you at this stage. Get it? Without getting ahead of yourself, read at least the first chapter of this book and relate it to what you learned as you practiced all of this (and not before, since this will be useless information to you):

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This thread doesn't deserve to be surrounded by anchors
>>160 How do I learn psychometry?

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Anonymous 01/28/2025 (Tue) 16:37:39 No. 6252 [Reply]
Energy work Let's begin by defining energy, and understanding exactly what we're working with when we do energy work. When talking magic and metaphysics, there are two main common ways to understand the term energy. Let's call them type P energy and type M energy. Type P energy is physical energy. It is quite literally the electrochemical energy of your body. P energy is a resource that can be acquired and spent. It moves your muscles, and maintains your health. Type M energy is metaphysical, and perhaps calling it energy is misleading. This resource is never consumed, but rather allocated and deallocated. This allocation, in general terms, is maintained by your attention. Mostly your subconscious attention. This means that as long as you can locate and repurpose the thread of subconscious attention that is attached to a certain allocation, you can recover that energy. It never stops belonging to you, and leads back to you, which is one of the underlying principles that makes karma possible. M energy can be conceptualized as a ray of light that originates in a source, which you may call God, and passes through many polarizing lenses, which modify its nature and effects, and reduces its potency (just like a lens would). A lens cannot lose or gain any amount of photons passing through it as long as its being shone on. But it can focus or scatter that energy in various ways. Magic, and indeed energy work deals entirely with type M energy; in the use of lenses to work with it, be it external or our own. The misleading use of the term energy to refer to it, as well as the fact that type M can indirectly produce an expenditure of type P, has resulted in the mistaken assumption that it is the latter which rules these practices, and it has made things much more difficult to understand. Let's look at a practical example. There is a curse spell that consists in taping the target's picture to a pig's face (looking towards the pig), then killing the pig (violently), dragging it through a forest, and burying it in a shallow grave, for wild animals to desecrate it later. It is often assumed that this type of sacrifice feeds on the pig's life force, and by some mysterious mechanism mediated by the magician's willpower, it's put to use in tormenting the target. However, a more accurate modelling can be done if we understand how M energy works. The pig, like any other living being, is a lens through which the light of God shines. Likewise, the tormented, angry, fearful psyche of a being acts as a polarizing medium that can potentially turn that light harmful to the next lens down the line (if it is directed properly, and does not scatter, or does not end up hitting the magician, or being affected by the magician's own undisciplined attention polluting the ritual). It is important to realize that the energy of the sacrifice is never spent. It is allocated. And by appeasing the pig, one can undo the curse. That is, one can help the sacrificed being to deallocate its traumatized attention. If you think about this, and apply this reasoning to many magical applications of sacrifices, trauma, lust, and other attachments, you will find you now understand them more deeply.
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>>6468 Just observe them in equanimity during meditation and let them dissolve (Castaneda's recapitulation), or use John Kreiter's reabsorption methods.
If acid planes exist, does this mean alkaline/basic planes exist too? What about electricity and magnetism planes? Chlorine planes? Uranium planes?
>>6545 Every object that exist represents an individual universe. Every object is alive and has a mind, and the mind itself is a plane. You can project yourself into these planes by projecting yourself into the mind of a particular object or material.

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Divine 10D Serpent Divine 10D Serpent 02/10/2025 (Mon) 17:16:04 No. 6546 [Reply]
oh boy, schizo boomer collages
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Beli-Mahatma Pleiadian-Jehovian Anunnaki-Human reptilian-aquatic-human hybrids, look like “pretty perfect humans” of various heights with blond or dark hair and bright blue eyes, usually wear white robes and falsely claim ascended mastery, Alcyone, Inner Earth, Parallel Earth and Sirius A (majority race of GF and Ashtar Command). One implant at the etheric solar plexus membrane suppresses emotions and sexual energy and is thus used to control sheeple. Its rotating scalar electromagnetic chamber, enhanced with infrasound scalar waves generates electric current which short-circuits the kundalini. When this implant will clear, kundalini in human masses will arise and we will have a worldwide liberating revolution.
Rule 1 - Please contain your posts to one thread
>>6547 Theres no need to bully people. Are you upset with your life?

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What the hell is a "guide"? Anonymous 04/17/2024 (Wed) 20:15:48 No. 627 [Reply] [Last]
I keep seeing people talk about "my guides" this, "my guides" that. I've never had guides. What are those, why use this vague word? It seems to imply said speaker does not know who is guiding them. Sounds risky as fuck tbh, why is this a thing in the wizard community. And I'm not speaking only about on here, I've seen this shit on Discord and other places as well. If you are trusting someone enough to let them guide you, why not call them by name?
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>>6531 I know shouldn’t reply but whatever.
>>627 >The Guides I don't know who started this trend. I guess it was Theosophy with the ascended masters, the GD had something about the top secret circle or something like that. Although heterodox pseudo-magical or esoterical masonic societies already had something like that, I think the Rosicrucians. In the GD I guess they referred to the other internal order of higher rank. I believe that some Indian gurus said that their secret masters revealed things to them but one never knew if they existed or if they already died but well. The new agers sometimes say that their guides "guide" them, I guess it comes from there, although I think the Kardec spiritualists also said something similar. Sometimes I think it goes a little bit to the old logic of giving responsibility and knowledge of others or like shamanism as "a old spirit sage told me". >Also Although it sounds funny to me. I never had the opportunity to say that my tulpa told me anything, although It did say nice things, other time beatiful things and maybe kinda philosophical to me and that's enough. Maybe close enought to a spirit or "high masters on some drugs" Like a Eudaemon you know. I think it would be a good guide although not perfect, although I just think that is my positive and healthy thinking turned into a tulpa, like an angel.

/fringe/ Humor Thread Anonymous 12/29/2024 (Sun) 02:54:13 No. 5812 [Reply]
post /fringe/-related memes and funny images
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>>6397 I used to binge these hard.

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Tulpas, Egregores, Thoughtforms, Archetypes Anonymous 10/11/2024 (Fri) 05:47:59 No. 3015 [Reply] [Last]
... and tropes and general "characters" of an abstract, nonphysical, astral type nature. discussion of.
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>>5426 Isn't that basically what Crowley and Trump did?
>>5426 >Does an egregore of yourself count as a legitimate part of you? You can call it your "energetic influence" it's more akin to your "emanation" and not exactly as a "Part of you". Like your breath is not "part of you" once you exhale it. Your egregore can be similar. You can work on your breath and how it smells but you only notice if your breath smells if someone points it out or it gets bad too fast. People can react to negative energetic emanations/egregores of you the same way as you react to bad breath or a smelly wind. Egregores usually "wielded" by those who have the most energetic investment and awareness in it's working process. You can consider it the same as a publicly traded company to a degree. >I'd imagine not since the egregores of yourself are either mostly or entirely created by other people. Yes and no. First your own egregore is created by you and the interaction you have with your environment. If you work with spirits they can also influence your egregore to a degree. This is why putting up (and upholding) rules is beneficial. Learning understanding and developing your own operating principles is crucial in magic. Your egregore belongs to you if you are "true to yourself" and not show a different image of yourself to every person you meet. If you have a "fabricated persona" like actors politicians or "posers" and your image is constantly tailored for public view then you can say that their egregore is not "theirs" at all. They are trying to appease the public by acting as their egregore as much as they can. At that stage their egregore is more important their own persona. Then you have "Cult personas" like Hitler Stalin or other cult leaders who made their people worship their image. Worshiped people who cannot be questioned are the true example how egregores work. Even if you never met that person in your life you might have a feeling if he approves your actions even if he is not even there physically and their followers will uphold the rule and sanctity of the "dominion" of that egregore. Then you have the egregores of Buddha or Hindu gods where you sync well enough you can access their mindwave. Those egregores also started with a single person and the teaching they shared in their life still emanates through their egregore. Even after people changed many times the underlying principles still hold most of their original truth. Mostly because people are trying to uncover their "Original teachings" constantly therefore they "rebuild" the egregore to it's original state as much as they can so others can benefit from them the same way as they benefited from it. You can control or sway egregores if you understand their operating principles and figure out how to utilize them. If you know your operating principles better than anyone then no one will be able to sway you that easily. Also in my view egregores can also have layers and they are not always united. So if you modify or separate part of the egregore you can take that part under your complete control but it will not always affect the main egregore if it deviates too much from it. Egregores are created and maintained by every participiant of that energetic structure. Which includes yourself. If you have no hold over your own egregore then you will constantly feel misunderstood and mistreated.
A simple servitor with methods for eliminating karma. Karma eliminator = Karim Should be useful in our current karmic space.

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WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED WITH MAGIC? Anonymous 02/02/2025 (Sun) 00:55:15 No. 6314 [Reply]
Personally: >cured multiple chronic health issues that were plaguing me before I started magic >learned to manipulate my moods and thoughts at will with energy manipulation, curing my chronic depression >can prevent all illnesses and physical maladies in myself so long as I catch them early >developed the skill to consistently hex public figures and corporations, for my own fun and satisfaction >secured a relaxing job where I barely have to do anything >can manipulate the astral version of events to cause seemingly inescapable problems to immediately vanish like magic lol >astral perception lets me know the general spirit of incoming events and the general nature of people I'm talking to >no longer have any nightmares or bad dreams since astral combat and self-defense techniques have been ingrained into my subconscious >much easier to talk with people since I can just lace my words and aura with energetic intent to transmit my ideas and make my speech more potent
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>>6348 >Weed Weed make your sons retard with congenital diseases. The pharmaceutical companies and goverment hides that. >Cigarrete Cigarrete additives make lung cancer and shit behaviour, your theeth and breath go worst every year. Your liver just turn bad and make a lot of more problems. And that it's just you, the other around you smoking shit bacause of your behaviour on addiction of chemicals give by companies are in the same way but in a passive manner. >Socialist >True Belief in the political system I see, Identity politics.
>>6343 Thank you very much. This is immensely helpful. I didn't expect Robert Bruce to be that useful for healing. John Kreiter always seemed to be on the right track in my opinion.
>>6314 >>6343 Based. I should be able to say I've managed all the things in the OP at this point, but the truth is I'm a coward and lazy.

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Montalk Anonymous 09/15/2023 (Fri) 21:47:55 No. 39 [Reply]
The namesake of this board is the concept Tom Montalk called "fringe knowledge". For those new to /fringe/, reading Tom's material can prove very fruitful if it's tempered by reading other sources, of course. Key concepts This is a short overview of ideas presented at montalk.net. Deeper overviews of specific subjects can be found as intros to each section of the site. https://montalk.net/about/91/key-concepts Section intros Here you will find a short summary of each of the sections of the site and links to relevant articles. https://montalk.net/about/303/section-intros He just released a series of talks with his girlfriend about reality creation that are probably very useful to the budding magician: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOv5VO93tTMYyyn1rwbpQiE-Wtp1lyaxX You can download his whole website as an archive here: https://montalk.net/montalk_backup.zip
Neither does this one.

Positively identifying demons Anonymous 01/28/2025 (Tue) 19:11:45 No. 6258 [Reply]
You guys have any tips on how to positively identify the demons you're working with when you're doing goetia? I was trying it last night in conjunction with esoteric meditation, no particular call in mind, and felt a pretty strong response suggesting I'd touched something. Trouble is, I have no idea of how to categorize the spiritual presence by origin or intention. You don't really want to let a harmful spirit in to your house or body if you haven't been able to figure out what it is. And you can't ask them directly since they'll lie to you as well. A demon for money might also secretly want to kill you, a demon for success might be trying to manipulate in a monkey's paw fashion. Quite tricky, I'm not sure how to proceed here
Simple, just use a lie-detector spell so they can't lie to you. First ask the demon its name then ask the lie-detector spell if it was lying.
>>6260 little bit more complicated since it isn't speaking with me directly yet. I get spiritual pings while meditating but it doesn't seem to want to show itself
>>6261 Perhaps you could try asking a god who you're talking to?

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